Free Booze For Alcoholics

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“THINK it’s because we weren’t English”

Bigots always judge others by their own standards.

OK no problem. You're judging me by your own standards obviously.

Half a story and you conclude I'm a bigot? Goodbye, troll someone else.

[noahrab]

OK no problem. You're judging me by your own standards obviously.

Half a story and you conclude I'm a bigot? Goodbye, troll someone else.

You’re a bigot because you said you hate 70% of the English…even though you’ve never met them.

Hoisted by your own petard.

[islaydarkblue]

Interesting one Islay and for once I'm going to have to agree with you. I have a Brother in Law who worked on the rigs for years (retired now), he would do two weeks on and two off. When on the rigs he wasn't allowed any alcohol, there was no alcohol available. However he would get back from his trip, dump his bag in the house and go straight to the pub where he would get absolutely legless, not a coupe of pints, not drunk but absolutely legless. He didn't wait for the kids to get home from school or for the wife to get back from work it was straight to the pub and worry about them later.

The rest of his days at home he would go to the pub every day, if we'd arranged to go out with them on a night he'd be on the phone asking if we could come earlier and would sit and twitch for about an hour before the time we'd arranged to meet up.

I told him at one point that he should get help because he was an alcoholic but he couldn't see it, he'd laugh and ask how he could be an alcoholic when he could go two weeks offshore without a drink. I challenged him to get back from his next trip and not go to the pub as soon as he arrived home but wait to see the kids home from school - turned out the pub was more important than the kids, he went straight there and got legless and the penny finally dropped for him.

There is more to alcoholism than needing a drink every day, it seems to be a cycle with triggers that set off the need for a drink in those that end up choosing that lifestyle. The image of the Jakey lying in the gutter wondering where the next bottle of wine is coming from isn't the full story by any means.

That is a shame about your brother in law .
However these are the ‘hidden’ alcoholics.
There are people on Islay who are driving their car when they are ‘on the wagon’ and when they are on their ‘benders’ cannot bite their fingernails.

[islaydarkblue]

Think that there should be some discussion about this topic because I am not sure that a Managed Alcohol Programme would be a success unless the general public got behind it.

Here are some definitions. Alcohol abuse is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition (DSM‐IV 2001) as a destructive pattern of alcohol use occurring within a 12‐month period, resulting in repetitive maladaptive behaviour and leading to significant social, occupational or medical impairment. The alcohol abuser still has control over his/her use of alcohol and has not developed tolerance. Alcohol dependence (alcoholism) occurs when an individual has lost control over his/her use of alcohol and its consumption becomes the dominant focus in his/her life, causing deterioration of occupational, psychological, social functioning, or a combination. DSM‐IV diagnosis of alcohol dependence requires users to meet the criteria for alcohol abuse plus have three or more of the following: (1) tolerance ‐ the need to increase amounts of alcohol consumed to achieve the desired effect; (2) withdrawal ‐ the experience of physiological and psychological symptoms when alcohol consumption is stopped or use alcohol consumption to avoid or reduce specific symptoms, or both; (3) uncontrolled behaviour ‐ alcohol is consumed in larger amounts or for longer than intended; (4) cravings ‐ persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control alcohol use; (5) a considerable amount of time is spent to procure, use or recover from the effects of alcohol consumption; (6) important social, occupational or recreational activities given up or reduced because of alcohol use; and (7) continues alcohol use despite knowledge of persistent physical or psychological problems worsened by alcohol.

I also didn't know how units of alcohol were calculated. Volume in ML x ABV% /1000=units of alcohol. 500ml can x 5.2 ABV /1000=2.6units.

For me it seems like the general public would be a very important source of comment. If we leave it to the experts we run the risk of creating a methadone equivalent programme for alcohol. I don't seem the benefits of that kind of approach. More worryingly, in the way that the Scottish Government and the MSP's have behaved regarding the treatment of covid, we can see that authoritarian control just leads to more and more rules. I find it incredible that, at the start, the creation of vaccines was the only way to beat covid, and yet with all the vulnerable people vaccinated we are still being asked to adopt the same measures which were essential before the creation of the vaccines.

Commonsense seems to go out the window and I think a discussion about Managed Alcohol Programme should be encouraged.

I agree entirely with hmac's comment the decent, hard working people might just deserve more than they are getting.

One of the problems with drunkenness in the pubs in Islay is that everyone knows each other. They have nothing to say to each other so they sit and drink quicker than normal.
The smoking ban has not made much of a difference as the smokers stand outside the pub with their drink instead of being inside.
One Sunday evening I went down to the Ardview Inn in Port Ellen to watch ICT v Celtic on SKY in the pub with a couple of friends.
When I got to the pub my friends had already each consumed two pints of lager. Whilst watching the football i had 8 OVD’s and lemonade and I opted out of four rounds.By the time the football match had finished my friends had each consumed 14 pints of lager and one of them drove his car to his work the following morning!

[noahrab]

One of the problems with drunkenness in the pubs in Islay is that everyone knows each other. They have nothing to say to each other so they sit and drink quicker than normal.
The smoking ban has not made much of a difference as the smokers stand outside the pub with their drink instead of being inside.
One Sunday evening I went down to the Ardview Inn in Port Ellen to watch ICT v Celtic on SKY in the pub with a couple of friends.
When I got to the pub my friends had already each consumed two pints of lager. Whilst watching the football i had 8 OVD’s and lemonade and I opted out of four rounds.By the time the football match had finished my friends had each consumed 14 pints of lager and one of them drove his car to his work the following morning!

You should be ashamed of yourself.

OVD and lemonade???

[BCram]

One of the problems with drunkenness in the pubs in Islay is that everyone knows each other. They have nothing to say to each other so they sit and drink quicker than normal.
The smoking ban has not made much of a difference as the smokers stand outside the pub with their drink instead of being inside.
One Sunday evening I went down to the Ardview Inn in Port Ellen to watch ICT v Celtic on SKY in the pub with a couple of friends.
When I got to the pub my friends had already each consumed two pints of lager. Whilst watching the football i had 8 OVD’s and lemonade and I opted out of four rounds.By the time the football match had finished my friends had each consumed 14 pints of lager and one of them drove his car to his work the following morning!

Units of alcohol 8 x 35ml x40/1000=11.2 units
14 pints is very nearly 8 litres assuming beer was about 4%
Your pal drank 8000x4/1000= 32units

[islaydarkblue]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

OVD and lemonade???

On the contrary OVD which is known as Dundee’s own is my favourite tipple along with lemonade.

[islaydarkblue]

Units of alcohol 8 x 35ml x40/1000=11.2 units
14 pints is very nearly 8 litres assuming beer was about 4%
Your pal drank 8000x4/1000= 32units

The measure in the Ardview was 25cl.
I do not know how my friends each managed to consume that amount of lager.
At that time there was a policeman based on Islay called Wattie and it was well documented
if your car was on Wattie’s list it he would not stop it for vehicle check.
This was prior to the introduction of the new car registration plates in 2001 when each local authority had its own vehicle registration letters.
In Argyll and Bute it was SB.

[islaydarkblue]

I enclose a breakdown of the number of units per alcoholic drink. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol...alcohol-units/
According to this list my friends consumed 28 units of alcohol which is twice the maximum recommended total weekly amount.

[BCram]

I enclose a breakdown of the number of units per alcoholic drink. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol...alcohol-units/
According to this list my friends consumed 28 units of alcohol which is twice the maximum recommended total weekly amount.

Think he needs a Managed Alcohol Programme?