This is a brilliant response.

[queenslandpie]

'Cause I am interested.

It was reported that he got a great reception. Be happy with that and dont look for drama.

[SwalePie]

I read BBC news and I'm not an old person ha ha. All this nonsense about them as well, the right say they're left, the left say they're right. They're just reporting things it's upto you to read all the other sides and sources to find out the truth. I'd much rather get my news from BBC, guardian, Google news etc than get my news from twitter and Facebook with all the lies on there by idiots.

Likewise!

[drillerpie]

It was reported that he got a great reception.

That is interesting.

I've been told many times on here by people that the only conceivable reason someone could boo the taking of the knee is that they are stupid and/or massive racists, but anti racism gestures never got booed before the knee, and anti racism gestures like this seem to never get booed either.

[Lullapie]

We're all getting extremely paranoid about what is and what isn't racist. If we run our lives from what people we don't know post on social media, then we must have sad lives. Just like the three England players who called out some on social media who abused them on social media after they missed their penalties in the Euro Final.

I would have been more impressed if the who thing would just have been ignored by the press, like they do with many more serious issues. The whole racist thing is getting out of control and soon we'll be afraid to say anything. I have a good friend who is a Tranmere fan and there is a movement to stop them from calling their fans the Super White Army - ridiculous.

And then there was this also:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...layer-n1276327

[crazyfists]

To boo, or not to boo: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil.

Probably some kind of nightmare about Notts losing away to Dover because of some long grass......

[crazyfists]

I think things like stopping Tranmere being called the super white army would be taking things too far and the thing is none of my non white friends would think that they shouldn't have that name, that's the media escalating the issue to make people buy and read their stories. The people of ethnic minorities who kick off when say Adele has dreadlocks are extremists the way the far right are the other way, every group has them but in the main people generally have a common sense answer to problems.

Having said all that, I would rather things like the super white army debate happen than racism being swept under the carpet anymore. It's ingrained in alot of peoples views in this country and needs to be continually challenged every day as its unacceptable to judge anyone on their race, where they're from or their beliefs. It's bigoted, small minded nonsense and the reason people are fed up of hearing about it is at last people of all races are coming together and saying no this isn't on anymore. People are people and dicks are dicks irrespective of their colour. People say 'I'm not racist' then if an Asian cuts them up in the road it's Paki this and Paki that, alot of it is lazy racism that would never be said to someone's face but this needs to be tackled just as much as overt racism.

I personally think booing the taking of the knee is pathetic, if you can't be quiet for 10 seconds out of respect for others beliefs then there's no hope for you.

[crazyfists]

So you're a black player and you know if you have a bad game or miss a pen, when you turn your phone on later you're going to get called a n word, pictures of monkeys and bananas sent to you and you're told to go back to your own country even though you're from Slough, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Say ok then that's just the way it is or are you going to try and show in some form that you're not happy with it. If you were this person you might think taking the knee to highlight what you go through is perfectly acceptable. Then people boo you taking your right to say no this isn't on, it's ridiculous. Why shouldn't they do something until racism is stopped? Wouldn't you do something?

Twitter said yesterday that around something like 70% of racist abuse posted during the Euros was from the UK. We have a massive problem and it's time instead of booing people who want to raise the issue, why not get behind the issue and support it.

[queenslandpie]

So you're a black player and you know if you have a bad game or miss a pen, when you turn your phone on later you're going to get called a n word, pictures of monkeys and bananas sent to you and you're told to go back to your own country even though you're from Slough, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Say ok then that's just the way it is or are you going to try and show in some form that you're not happy with it. If you were this person you might think taking the knee to highlight what you go through is perfectly acceptable. Then people boo you taking your right to say no this isn't on, it's ridiculous. Why shouldn't they do something until racism is stopped? Wouldn't you do something?

Twitter said yesterday that around something like 70% of racist abuse posted during the Euros was from the UK. We have a massive problem and it's time instead of booing people who want to raise the issue, why not get behind the issue and support it.

I would like to see the background to the last stat you posted. It is easy to say the abuse originated from an IP address based in the UK not that the abuse originated from the UK. There are various reports that you can read stating that the vast majority of abuse in the large scale behaviour directed after the final originated from spam accounts from abroad with UK IP addresses delivering the abuse. Quite different. If all the abuse did indeed arrive from the UK then I agree there is an issue. As to how big it is and how it compares to other countries I am not certain you can come to any actual conclusion. I think it was said there was around 3000 discreet known cases of social media abuse after the final. 3000 too many obviously.

[crazyfists]

All I can say QP is what I read and infact it was probably more than the 70% I wrote as Twitter reported the UK was 'by far' the worst which maybe indicates more than 70%. I see racism in this country everyday, I don't need twitter to report we have a problem with it and instead of people trying to make excuses or say well their IP might say UK etc, how about we all say no this is disgusting and in 2021 it's high time this stopped. We're making this country look xenophobic and backwards, it's not on anymore to abuse anyone for their race let's not justify it anymore, let's tackle it everyday when we see it in our work colleagues, family or friends.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.s...uro-2020-final

[drillerpie]

So you're a black player and you know if you have a bad game or miss a pen, when you turn your phone on later you're going to get called a n word, pictures of monkeys and bananas sent to you and you're told to go back to your own country even though you're from Slough, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Say ok then that's just the way it is or are you going to try and show in some form that you're not happy with it. If you were this person you might think taking the knee to highlight what you go through is perfectly acceptable. Then people boo you taking your right to say no this isn't on, it's ridiculous. Why shouldn't they do something until racism is stopped? Wouldn't you do something?

Twitter said yesterday that around something like 70% of racist abuse posted during the Euros was from the UK. We have a massive problem and it's time instead of booing people who want to raise the issue, why not get behind the issue and support it.

Some interesting points Crazyfists.

Regarding the 70%, to really understand that figure you would need to know how it was calculated. Twitter is most popular in the English speaking world, so to quantify the 70% you would need to know what percentage of total Euro 2020 tweets came from England. If the coverage this gives this info I'd be genuinely interested to know. Don't take for granted that people involved in this debate (on both sides) use statistics honestly and in good faith.

I would also be wary of making conclusions about our society on the back of football fans' comments after losing a final. They always look for a scapegoat - we can all remember the effigies of Beckham with a noose round his neck - can you imagine if someone had done the same with Rashford or Sancho? The Guardian would've had to print a 250 page commemorative edition.

On a similar note I think when people lash out through anger they lock on to someone's most noticeable characteristic. I've seen plenty of people I know say "old *******" when an elderly person cuts them up, I've probably done it myself, but as far as I know none of them are actual ageists. That's why I think the abuse after the final would've followed the same pattern if the player missing the crucial penalty had been ginger, or chubby

I agree with you that racism shouldn't be swept under the carpet, but at the same time I think it is massively overstated in terms of the media attention devoted to it. As a global society we are facing some absolutely huge challenges, and I'm sorry if this seems harsh but in the great scheme of things, young, healthy multi-millionaires getting nasty insults and banana/gorilla emojis on their Instagram DMs barely registers on my sadness-ometer.

I think we urgently need a more wide ranging conversation about respect for others and what is acceptable behaviour in society, not only in terms of racism but the whole shebang, both on social media (which is totally toxic IMO) and in real life.