The curse of Orta

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

You're simply not worth bothering with.

But yet you always do between flounces 🤣😆

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

It's St Patrick's Day today our patron Saint. In America they celebrate St Patty's Day, i think in homage to some burger flipper... best wishes to all particularly those from this Isle. So am not going to get into tit tat tit talk.

But briefly, our average attendance 2015/16 the year befor AR arrived our average attendance was 22446 and for the previous 10 years had been mostly hovering around 23000, it was big news when the upper east stand would be open on match days. If we lose money on players (as many clubs have in their attempt to get to the top4, we will still have more money than wehen we started this era, and importantly far more backing in terms of money, no longer a basket case club, with point deductions and only attracting backers who want to asset strip this club.

I will be having a couple of pints of Guinness with a Teeling chaser in honour of SPD.

[spaldy]

WTF,

would you take our position today over any period during the bates, GFH or even Celino (who I think did a good job even though a little kooky)?

Isn't moving forward all that counts? We are also not beholden Russian Mobsters, Oil Sheiks that treat women like brood mares, Chinese communists that release viruses on the world and weld their own people in their apartments.

Everything worthwhile entails risk and rewards. Owning a football team is a high risk venture and mistakes (more expensive the higher up you go) is part of that growth process.

[whitestomper45]

I will be having a couple of pints of Guinness with a Teeling chaser in honour of SPD.

Good man Hopeless, "A pint of plain is your only man" (Brian O'Nolan aka Flann O'Brien)

[Billyni]

[QUOTE=Orgoner;40004475]Nope.[/QUOTE

Don't think I'd fancy paying for something and then someone else getting the use of it. ]

[Orgoner]

We certainly haven't covered ourselves in glory in any way in this "transfer" that's for sure.

Not been good for the player's confidence either?

He played something like 48' split between three substitute appearances.

Not relevant, but I have his "debut" shirt from the Forest (A) game, which was 17' - by my reckoning, that shirt could very well cost the club close to 7 million quid.

(I got it for a bit less)

[ozleeds]

WTF,

would you take our position today over any period during the bates, GFH or even Celino (who I think did a good job even though a little kooky)?

Isn't moving forward all that counts? We are also not beholden Russian Mobsters, Oil Sheiks that treat women like brood mares, Chinese communists that release viruses on the world and weld their own people in their apartments.

Everything worthwhile entails risk and rewards. Owning a football team is a high risk venture and mistakes (more expensive the higher up you go) is part of that growth process.

I don't get the hate with Celino still apart been crazy with managers the guy left us in a good financial situation and a decent team whom most still play now. I would like to know what exactly has Radz done since taking over and I mean financially to help the club out apart his own pocketts?

[WTF11]

[QUOTE=Billyni;40004709]

Nope.[/QUOTE

Don't think I'd fancy paying for something and then someone else getting the use of it. ]

Not quite how the agreement works Billy. LUFc committed to pay the £19m based on us getting promotion, irrespective of the players status (i.e. whether we kept him permanently or not), so in effect LUFC were committing to paying a premium of £19m on top of the loan fees agreed at the time. Obviously LUFC then sought to have the premium declared void as we gained promotion after the end of the official loan period. JKA was never a "Leeds player" i.e signed from another club.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

[QUOTE=WTF11;40004889]

Not quite how the agreement works Billy. LUFc committed to pay the £19m based on us getting promotion, irrespective of the players status (i.e. whether we kept him permanently or not), so in effect LUFC were committing to paying a premium of £19m on top of the loan fees agreed at the time. Obviously LUFC then sought to have the premium declared void as we gained promotion after the end of the official loan period. JKA was never a "Leeds player" i.e signed from another club.

Unless you have seen the actual contract and how it is worded it is impossible to tell. There have been numerous cases where CAS have overturned FIFA/UEFA - Man City being a good example.

[WTF11]

Would we? Could you tell me the last time pre-orta we were better off? Just out of interest as well because clearly you have experience of this at LUFC, who were these great people in management at the club you aspire for Orta to be?

It is bloody exhausting, guy has done a good job, he cares and wants to do well. Everyone makes mistakes and its incredibly easy to sit behind a computer and act like you know better when in reality if you had half the responsibilty that guy has you'd crumble under the pressure.

Just for fun, please tell me the list of 'failures' and before you start if you are going to list players (which is a nonsense as his success is based on where we are, if he was so bad we'd not be in the PL anyway) I want to see a person in a similiar position whereby you compare his success/failures vs another at another club, if you can't don't reply.

Watch the documentary on Prime I started a thread on, Do you want to win? We were immeasurably better off then (as club owner, manager, players and supporters).