Pitch invasions

[MAD_MAGPIE]

And playing behind closed doors hits the fans who are not causing the problem.

Which is the vast majority of us.

This is where I'm at. The vast majority of people who play by the rules should not get punished for those that do not. It's like when a teacher keeps the whole class in detention because of one or two. It's not fair on everyone else and the problem should be dealt with at source. Neither should the clubs be punished either.

It's about time people took responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. Especially when we are talking grown adults like in the case of the Forest fan earlier this week. It's about having respect for oneself and other people which are the key components of how a law abiding society should work.

It's 2022 we live in one of the most heavily surveillance societies in the world. It should not be hard to find the perpetrators and deal with them accordingly by handing out lifetime bans and custodial sentences. Weed them out and deal with them directly and don't let them spoilt it for everyone else.

[upthemaggies]

This is where I'm at. The vast majority of people who play by the rules should not get punished for those that do not. It's like when a teacher keeps the whole class in detention because of one or two. It's not fair on everyone else and the problem should be dealt with at source. Neither should the clubs be punished either.

It's about time people took responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. Especially when we are talking grown adults like in the case of the Forest fan earlier this week. It's about having respect for oneself and other people which are the key components of how a law abiding society should work.

It's 2022 we live in one of the most heavily surveillance societies in the world. It should not be hard to find the perpetrators and deal with them accordingly by handing out lifetime bans and custodial sentences. Weed them out and deal with them directly and don't let them spoilt it for everyone else.

We could start with the media not encouraging it, ie commentators creaming themselves at how great it is to see supporters sharing the moment and that it's all about them and this is why we do it and that this is how they get to be a part of it, by being on the pitch. mobbing players and literally tearing their kit off to their underwear in some cases.

[i961pie]

Once again another player is assaulted today, the Villa keeper. It may be only a minority of people doing this but it is a large minority that break the law by invading the pitch. Whether we like it or not running onto the pitch is illegal and the authorities have to try and stop this. One day some nutter will run on carrying a knife.

[Old_pie]

I don't get pitch invasions - never have. I'd rather see my team on the pitch jumping and dancing and waving to their supporters instead of a horde of people obscuring my view.

Naturally my viewpoint is the opposite of one idiot:

Alan Hardy
@Bigalanh5
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May 18
Are you for real? Thousands celebrating after 30 years! Without emotion, fun and happiness then the game is dead
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Swanny
@SwannyHypno
· May 18
Replying to @SkySportsNews
Go on the pitch illegally you get what's coming, karma

Players worth millions are being put at risk of either of accidental or intentional injury, I'm surprised that the insurance companies don't clamp down on it.

There no doubt will be trouble on Monday, either at the station, down London Rd or in and around the ground. All a bit too tribal.

[upthemaggies]

I've already posted about this on another thread yesterday, the main point being that pitch invasions are not essential to the expression of passion and experience of joy in this game.

Just thinking about our own history, some of the most iconic images are those showing the crowd on the pitch - With Masson in 1973 and Sirrel addressing the fans from the top of the dugout in 1971 - But the vast majority involve the fans still in the stands, Charlie Palmer running behind the Fword away end after the late winner, the team posing for the photo at Wembley, Ade Akinbiyi getting himself into every photo with the trophy after the Munto title win etc. etc.

I think Notts ought to make it very clear and press home the point that fans must remain in the stands after the Grimsby game. With what's happened over the past few weeks in particular, supporters should have the sense to realise it's not a good idea with the spotlight now being shone on this activity, but some will need to be reminded and probably more than once.

[the_anticlough]

It's disgusting - the goading, taunting and assaults on opposition players...

It won't stop at that, soon enough it'll stretch to fans' own players should they lose (not at Notts, don't worry lads!)

Until now, pitch invasions would happen without this element to them. So what's changed? It can only be the character/behaviour/attitude of the people doing it in 2022. Not a good reflection on our society/country...
What's the cause? Has social media turned a lot of people into real life trolls? I won't miss the chance to just blame the poisonous tories
: )

[upthemaggies]

It's disgusting - the goading, taunting and assaults on opposition players...

It won't stop at that, soon enough it'll stretch to fans' own players should they lose (not at Notts, don't worry lads!)

Until now, pitch invasions would happen without this element to them. So what's changed? It can only be the character/behaviour/attitude of the people doing it in 2022. Not a good reflection on our society/country...
What's the cause? Has social media turned a lot of people into real life trolls? I won't miss the chance to just blame the poisonous tories
: )

I think what's changed (and I'm not stating this as fact, just my observation) has been the widespread approval and excuses being made from 2020 (by politicians included) for 'the mob' / legitimate protesters crossing the boundaries of what has always - until now - been deemed to be acceptable. Including violence.

Edit: Police behaviour hasn't exactly been what can be described as professional in some cases either. It's been heating up on all sides.

[the_anticlough]

I think what's changed (and I'm not stating this as fact, just my observation) has been the widespread approval and excuses being made from 2020 (by politicians included) for 'the mob' / legitimate protesters crossing the boundaries of what has always - until now - been deemed to be acceptable. Including violence.

Edit: Police behaviour hasn't exactly been what can be described as professional in some cases either. It's been heating up on all sides.

What examples do you have in mind?

I tend to think that whatever's happening is more generalised, with some deeper causes, rather than reactions to events.

I'm watching these games from abroad btw, where they're being shown. I wonder what any non-Brits make of Port Vale-Swindon, Huddersfield, Everton etc....Not just the invasions but the constant spectator shots. 'Passionate' might not be what some viewers think of first.

[upthemaggies]

What examples do you have in mind?

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I don't want to derail the thread and get into that. Let's just say it has been across the board, from far left to far right and everything in-between, with the authorities not blameless either. I'm anticipating the worst is to come and it's going to be very difficult not to get caught up in it, be that on the streets or finding yourself cheering your side on.

We saw the above soon translate into the football world with the protests over the super league, Old Trafford inside and out being the enduring image. Again, authorities not blameless but with fans going beyond what was acceptable and people like Gary Neville, rightly or wrongly, egging them on.

[Old_pie]

What examples do you have in mind?

I'll Trump you.