O/T:- Heatwave weather [Re. Climate Opinions/Handbags]

[Mark_Ross]

I hereby nail my colours to the mast.

Homo sapiens are releasing zillions of tons of CO2 & other GGs into the earth's atmosphere over a (geological time period speaking) blink of an eye. People who do not think that this is going to have any effect IMHO are stark raving mad.

[upthemaggies]

I hereby nail my colours to the mast.

Homo sapiens are releasing zillions of tons of CO2 & other GGs into the earth's atmosphere over a (geological time period speaking) blink of an eye. People who do not think that this is going to have any effect IMHO are stark raving mad.

Of course it will have some effect, it's not going to end the world though is it.

[slack_pie]

Of course it will have some effect, it's not going to end the world though is it.

It could contribute to the end of the world as we know it, though. I mean if some parts of the earth become uninhabitable, where will all those people go? Look at cities like Lagos - not far off 20 million people live there. If sea levels rise, it could displace most of those people. That's just one example.

Like I said in a previous post, I have no idea where all of this is going and how much of it we are responsible for. But it wouldn't take much for the world to change beyond recognition. And it won't be the actual rise in temperature that gets most people, it will be the geopolitical chain of events that follow.

[upthemaggies]

It could contribute to the end of the world as we know it, though. I mean if some parts of the earth become uninhabitable, where will all those people go?

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Yes, as WE know it, that's what this is really about, it's not about saving the planet it's about saving the human race, but what do we actually mean by that? What does that look like?

Is saving the 1% saving the human race?

Saving everyone would be Miss World speech territory, unicorns and rainbows.

So it becomes a game of "you go first" with the civilisation that does nothing and continues to thrive inheriting what the civilisation that falls leaves behind.

Another problem is, if the effect we've had on the climate has been as great as some claim, the effect of us not having done what we've done would have been equally significant, we could have had large parts of the planet becoming uninhabitable under ice instead.
When we talk about climate or environment we're basically talking about everything we know with everything interconnected - Chain reactions resulting from the smallest of interventions with unforeseen consequences. We're literally trying to make a prediction about everything..
It's really not beyond the boundaries of possibility to suggest that we could make things worse by trying to intervene.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I'm not sure why there is still a debate going on about how best we can handle it and what not to do...They are all pointless has I posted earlier on these threads I have solved it..
World crisis is over,that is all

[slack_pie]

Yes, as WE
When we talk about climate or environment we're basically talking about everything we know with everything interconnected - Chain reactions resulting from the smallest of interventions with unforeseen consequences. We're literally trying to make a prediction about everything..
It's really not beyond the boundaries of possibility to suggest that we could make things worse by trying to intervene.

I agree with this. People talk about 'saving the environment' without even having the faintest idea of what 'the environment' is. It sounds so easy, but it isn't. As you say, it's not a simple machine or process where you can just alter a few variables and solve everything. It's unimaginably complex and dynamic. It seems to be way beyond our current capabilities to effectively model or understand such a complex system, so how do we go about 'fixing' it?

Besides, if we really are the driving force behind rising temperatures, I'd imagine there's a serious lag between action and outcome. Things will continue to get worse for perhaps decades, even if we changed everything for the better now, whatever that would mean.

[TSANHO]

Of course it will have some effect, it's not going to end the world though is it.

The world will have healed and be prospering for a long long time after we have finally blown ourselves up

Sweet dreams 👍

[crazyfists]

I hereby nail my colours to the mast.

Homo sapiens are releasing zillions of tons of CO2 & other GGs into the earth's atmosphere over a (geological time period speaking) blink of an eye. People who do not think that this is going to have any effect IMHO are stark raving mad.

This 100%

[Magpies1959]

From the research I have done, the amount of Co2 in the atmosphere does not correlate to the temperature of the planet, going back over millions of years.
It is obvious we need to find a renewable, effective energy source, the cleaner the better, (as oil and gas are not infinite) to be able to survive on this planet. Whether this will control temperatures to the level we desire is doubtful.
There have been times in the past, when human life would not have been possible, from both high and low temperatures.
I think humans can be a bit arrogant in thinking we can change the forces of nature, whether through good intention or political reasons.

Regards
Stark staring mad

[crazyfists]

If the temperature is steadily rising though as that graph posted shows and we're heading towards destruction, do we just sit back and say oh well or do we try and at least do something that might help. Stating it was hot in 1976 numerous times as has been done all over social media last 2 months isn't really helping. Even if the measures we take are, as Magpies 59 states, a better energy source (ie wind) then we need to get on with doing it which I still thinks comes under the topic of climate change/saving the planet. Also water is going to become a battle ground over haves and have nots, this also needs addressing. The war in Ukraine added to the temperature rise has shown how fragile our system is,this is another area that needs work. I still think if people try and be as conscious as they can about their own actions (which agreed is a drop in the ocean to a countries actions) then that's a good thing.