Player Ratings v Chesterfield

[Warnocks Legends]

Can't agree about Slocombe's positioning for their first, I saw repeated TV replays in Lawton's Bar at half time and it was a great finish curled inches inside the far post. If he was any further that way he would have left a big gap on his near post. I'd have to see their second again before commenting. It was hit with some power, and my initial reaction was that it was another great finish.

What about your overall ratings Elite?

[Elite_Pie]

What about your overall ratings Elite?

Here you go:

Slocombe 6 - Unless the replays show him to be at fault for their second, I don't think he did a lot wrong.
Brindley 5.5 - not up to his usual high standard defensively or going forward.
Baldwin 6 - I thought he did ok, don't really get the criticism.
Cameron 5.5 - some good forward bursts, but didn't look comfortable defending.
Nemane 6 - he was our only threat early on, and his defending was adequate considering he's really a winger.
Palmer 6 - probably the pick of the midfield even though not at his best.
JOB 5 - can't fault his effort, but as many poor passes as good ones.
Rodrigues 5.5 - Couldn't get involved past the halfway line first half, improved a bit in the second. Set pieces again poor.
Chicksen 5 - I feel for him, because he's a defender trying to play wing back.
Mitchell 5.5 - he did put himself about a bit, but got no sort of service.
Langstaff 8* - maybe a generous mark considering he was barely in the game for an hour, but that wasn't his fault. An alert poacher's goal for his first, and the ability to lose his markers and bury the second. Denied a hat trick when Fitzsimons saved with his legs and didn't seem to know much about it. Early days, but this lad looks a real find.

Austin 7 - added that bit of spark when he came on, another who looks a promising signing.
Scott 7 - first time we've seen him on the pitch with Langstaff, looking forward to seeing more.
Bajrami 7 - an extra mark for that block. That must have hurt!

[magpie_mania]

Here you go:

Slocombe 6 - Unless the replays show him to be at fault for their second, I don't think he did a lot wrong.
Brindley 5.5 - not up to his usual high standard defensively or going forward.
Baldwin 6 - I thought he did ok, don't really get the criticism.
Cameron 5.5 - some good forward bursts, but didn't look comfortable defending.
Nemane 6 - he was our only threat early on, and his defending was adequate considering he's really a winger.
Palmer 6 - probably the pick of the midfield even though not at his best.
JOB 5 - can't fault his effort, but as many poor passes as good ones.
Rodrigues 5.5 - Couldn't get involved past the halfway line first half, improved a bit in the second. Set pieces again poor.
Chicksen 5 - I feel for him, because he's a defender trying to play wing back.
Mitchell 5.5 - he did put himself about a bit, but got no sort of service.
Langstaff 8* - maybe a generous mark considering he was barely in the game for an hour, but that wasn't his fault. An alert poacher's goal for his first, and the ability to lose his markers and bury the second. Denied a hat trick when Fitzsimons saved with his legs and didn't seem to know much about it. Early days, but this lad looks a real find.

Austin 7 - added that bit of spark when he came on, another who looks a promising signing.
Scott 7 - first time we've seen him on the pitch with Langstaff, looking forward to seeing more.
Bajrami 7 - an extra mark for that block. That must have hurt!

I would agree with these.

Brindley concerns me really. Seems to easily get knocked off the ball sometimes.

Can't understand the criticism of Palmer - not at his best but still always available.

Really like the look of Langstaff. The fact that he wasn't in the game at all but then could have had 4 gives great hope. When he scored the hat-trick v Cambridge, it was a friendly on a really hot day but it was clear he is hungry for goals. Think LW is playing it right with Scott. It is obvious he wants them together but no point in pushing him back too early. I think we did that previously with Roberts.

A mention for LW, his substitutions should not be overlooked.

Refereeing does concern me, the pull on Langstaff's shirt in the first half was at least as bad as when Mitchell gave the penalty away v BW. Frustrating.

[Elite_Pie]

Really like the look of Langstaff. The fact that he wasn't in the game at all but then could have had 4 gives great hope.

I forgot to mention his attitude, which I place a good deal of emphasis on. Loved the way he was trying to rouse an unusually quiet Kop after his first goal. It did the trick, the support after that was way better.

[Rainbowpie]

Here you go:

Slocombe 6 - Unless the replays show him to be at fault for their second, I don't think he did a lot wrong.
Brindley 5.5 - not up to his usual high standard defensively or going forward.
Baldwin 6 - I thought he did ok, don't really get the criticism.
Cameron 5.5 - some good forward bursts, but didn't look comfortable defending.
Nemane 6 - he was our only threat early on, and his defending was adequate considering he's really a winger.
Palmer 6 - probably the pick of the midfield even though not at his best.
JOB 5 - can't fault his effort, but as many poor passes as good ones.
Rodrigues 5.5 - Couldn't get involved past the halfway line first half, improved a bit in the second. Set pieces again poor.
Chicksen 5 - I feel for him, because he's a defender trying to play wing back.
Mitchell 5.5 - he did put himself about a bit, but got no sort of service.
Langstaff 8* - maybe a generous mark considering he was barely in the game for an hour, but that wasn't his fault. An alert poacher's goal for his first, and the ability to lose his markers and bury the second. Denied a hat trick when Fitzsimons saved with his legs and didn't seem to know much about it. Early days, but this lad looks a real find.

Austin 7 - added that bit of spark when he came on, another who looks a promising signing.
Scott 7 - first time we've seen him on the pitch with Langstaff, looking forward to seeing more.
Bajrami 7 - an extra mark for that block. That must have hurt!

I was going to do my player ratings but i'd say Elites view of the players is very accurate

[freemuzzy]

Here you go:

Slocombe 6 - Unless the replays show him to be at fault for their second, I don't think he did a lot wrong.
Brindley 5.5 - not up to his usual high standard defensively or going forward.
Baldwin 6 - I thought he did ok, don't really get the criticism.
Cameron 5.5 - some good forward bursts, but didn't look comfortable defending.
Nemane 6 - he was our only threat early on, and his defending was adequate considering he's really a winger.
Palmer 6 - probably the pick of the midfield even though not at his best.
JOB 5 - can't fault his effort, but as many poor passes as good ones.
Rodrigues 5.5 - Couldn't get involved past the halfway line first half, improved a bit in the second. Set pieces again poor.
Chicksen 5 - I feel for him, because he's a defender trying to play wing back.
Mitchell 5.5 - he did put himself about a bit, but got no sort of service.
Langstaff 8* - maybe a generous mark considering he was barely in the game for an hour, but that wasn't his fault. An alert poacher's goal for his first, and the ability to lose his markers and bury the second. Denied a hat trick when Fitzsimons saved with his legs and didn't seem to know much about it. Early days, but this lad looks a real find.

Austin 7 - added that bit of spark when he came on, another who looks a promising signing.
Scott 7 - first time we've seen him on the pitch with Langstaff, looking forward to seeing more.
Bajrami 7 - an extra mark for that block. That must have hurt!

These are definitely a fairer reflection in my view than some of the 2/10s etc being bandied about. Get that there’ll always be different opinions but it feels like in some cases the ratings may as well be written before the game due to the preconceived opinions about certain players (Slocombe, O’Brien, Mitchell and - weirdly - Baldwin). Blaming Slocombe for their opener is absolutely laughable!

For me the broader issue is that other than bringing in a goal scorer (fair play), it’s hard to see where we are stronger currently than we were last season, in terms of set-up, style or personnel. We are crying out for a CM to partner Palmer and at least one wing back (if TAR is apparently being written off without even playing a game). Goalkeeper is an issue but personally I would stick with Slocombe unless we unearth a gem on loan like Patterson which is unlikely.

Our back three are all excellent footballers rather than outright defenders which means on occasions like yesterday they can be out-muscled. Personally I would have Bajrami starting and move Brindley to RWB, if we’re insisting on maintaining the back 3 - but it’s pretty clear the personnel we have is much more geared up to a back four currently. 4-2-3-1 would solve the wing back issue as Brindley and Chicksen are both good full backs, and enable us to get all of our better players on the pitch.

[Elite_Pie]

These are definitely a fairer reflection in my view than some of the 2/10s etc being banded about. Get that there’ll always be different opinions but it feels like in some cases the ratings may as well be written before the game due to the preconceived opinions about certain players (Slocombe, O’Brien, Mitchell and - weirdly - Baldwin).

We all have our favourite players, but I always try really hard to base my match ratings entirely on what I see at the match. No matter how good or bad they've been before, every player starts with a clean slate.

As conclusive proof of this, I once made David Vaughan my MOM!

[magpie_mania]

We all have our favourite players, but I always try really hard to base my match ratings entirely on what I see at the match. No matter how good or bad they've been before, every player starts with a clean slate.

As conclusive proof of this, I once made David Vaughan my MOM!

If I haven't seen a game then I do take more note of your ratings than others, who often, so obviously have already decided before the game for some players.

[hissingdwarf]

About right for me. Still worrying signs in defence and the middle. Can’t fathom why we play 3 at the back when it obviously doesn’t work and players who are solid, look uncomfortable. We all know Cameron is a good CD, but has looked totally out of place with his new partner. Brindley looks easy to press onto and Baldwin…Bajrami looks better imo,m but we should only be choosing two CBs and two proper fullbacks. Chicksen is a good player, but not a wing back. Nemane is a good player, but not a wing back.
Palmer is a good player, but desperately needs a brick Shiitehouse next to him. Why we can’t move Cameron or Bajrami into that dm slot, I’ll never know. They can both enforce, both move with the ball and have the defend first instinct.

Here you go:

Slocombe 6 - Unless the replays show him to be at fault for their second, I don't think he did a lot wrong.
Brindley 5.5 - not up to his usual high standard defensively or going forward.
Baldwin 6 - I thought he did ok, don't really get the criticism.
Cameron 5.5 - some good forward bursts, but didn't look comfortable defending.
Nemane 6 - he was our only threat early on, and his defending was adequate considering he's really a winger.
Palmer 6 - probably the pick of the midfield even though not at his best.
JOB 5 - can't fault his effort, but as many poor passes as good ones.
Rodrigues 5.5 - Couldn't get involved past the halfway line first half, improved a bit in the second. Set pieces again poor.
Chicksen 5 - I feel for him, because he's a defender trying to play wing back.
Mitchell 5.5 - he did put himself about a bit, but got no sort of service.
Langstaff 8* - maybe a generous mark considering he was barely in the game for an hour, but that wasn't his fault. An alert poacher's goal for his first, and the ability to lose his markers and bury the second. Denied a hat trick when Fitzsimons saved with his legs and didn't seem to know much about it. Early days, but this lad looks a real find.

Austin 7 - added that bit of spark when he came on, another who looks a promising signing.
Scott 7 - first time we've seen him on the pitch with Langstaff, looking forward to seeing more.
Bajrami 7 - an extra mark for that block. That must have hurt!

[nw6pie]

About right for me. Still worrying signs in defence and the middle. Can’t fathom why we play 3 at the back when it obviously doesn’t work and players who are solid, look uncomfortable. We all know Cameron is a good CD, but has looked totally out of place with his new partner. Brindley looks easy to press onto and Baldwin…Bajrami looks better imo,m but we should only be choosing two CBs and two proper fullbacks. Chicksen is a good player, but not a wing back. Nemane is a good player, but not a wing back.
Palmer is a good player, but desperately needs a brick Shiitehouse next to him. Why we can’t move Cameron or Bajrami into that dm slot, I’ll never know. They can both enforce, both move with the ball and have the defend first instinct.

Not sure about the brick outhouse - I think we're desperate for someone in the centre of the park who wants to take the game by the scruff of the neck and make things happen. However, they also need to be mobile, win headers, win tackles, run box to box, and do the basics well. You normally have to spend money to get those kinds of players, though, or get lucky with a raw gem like Ryan Yates.

Austin shows promising signs of being an Alan Judge-type, keen to get on the ball and make things happen, but he's not physical enough to do that in a midfield scrap.