Fat Sam

[upthemaggies]

For me, it's the way he left.

Took all players out on the lash the night before and not telling them. He also just slipped his resignation letter under the chairman's door that night never to be seen again.

How many years counselling must the players have needed for not being told - amid common knowledge that it was on the cards and all but inevitable - and instead been given a good night out. How awful for them.
An yes, it makes all the difference doesn't it, slipping your resignation letter under the door rather than leaving it on the desk.

The 24 years of sour grapes is for what happened next - namely caretaker Gary Brazil being given the job full time with the full support of the fan base, probably because he was a nice man.

[Pies4u]

How many years counselling must the players have needed for not being told - amid common knowledge that it was on the cards and all but inevitable - and instead been given a good night out. How awful for them.
An yes, it makes all the difference doesn't it, slipping your resignation letter under the door rather than leaving it on the desk.

The 24 years of sour grapes is for what happened next - namely caretaker Gary Brazil being given the job full time with the full support of the fan base, probably because he was a nice man.

Really? Your defence of a man who has consistently shown no class, no dignity and has behaved in an unprofessional, offensive and conceited manner is, quite frankly, mind boggling. His record at Notts, which was a tad ‘curates egg” anyway, is not the significant or pertinent factor in the equation!

[caj85]

How many years counselling must the players have needed for not being told - amid common knowledge that it was on the cards and all but inevitable - and instead been given a good night out. How awful for them.
An yes, it makes all the difference doesn't it, slipping your resignation letter under the door rather than leaving it on the desk.

The 24 years of sour grapes is for what happened next - namely caretaker Gary Brazil being given the job full time with the full support of the fan base, probably because he was a nice man.

You asked why he's hated for being successful and going onto bigger things, which I gave my opinion that that isn't why he's hated. Him not telling the squad isn't about their feelings, it shows he's all about himself which to an extent he's entitled to be as the game likes to dispose of managers for little wrong doing. I just think people should have a bit of integrity.

To me he slipped out the back door and left us high and dry. If things were done correctly Pavis might have had chance to think about the next move and not be entangled in a compo chasing exercise with Bolton. It was an obvious distraction to us.

I don't care about Sam either way, I care about Notts County and although he gave me a cracking season to watch as a youngster he didn't show any care for us when he left so why should we hold him in any regard?

[upthemaggies]

To me he slipped out the back door and left us high and dry.

Pavis was already desperate by that stage. Big Sam leaving was just a convenient excuse/justification for what he was always intending to do, sell up. If SNAG hadn't intervened he would have sold to the Doncaster chairman, but we ended up with an owner leading us into administration and ruin anyway.

Bolton sacked Colin Todd on 22nd September 1999, Big Sam was reported to be joint favourite for the job the next day. The Evening Post were immediately asking what Pavis would have to do to keep him. It was three weeks before Sam eventually resigned on 14th October and was then announced as Bolton manager 5 days later.

Pavis and Allardyce had a volatile relationship according to Brian Bates who was a youth coach at Notts at the time, describing how he'd often hear them screaming at one another. I very much doubt Pavis gave the true picture of what actually occurred and the full context and circumstances in which Sam left - A club statement ruled out the Doncaster chairman as a buyer the following month (November 1999) yet that continued to drag on until at least mid-January 2000 and then we ended up with Scardino and Storrie the following September.

[upthemaggies]

Curiously, I believe this photo was taken at Murphy/Thommo's final home game in charge (Rotherham home 0-0) who were ultimately replaced by Allardyce.
We know Pavis was keen to bring in Clough before he turned to Howard Kendall, so who knows what was discussed that day.

[Elite_Pie]

Come on Sam, Neil Warnock has tonight shown he can still work miracles, just do the same.

[laddo]

I've have everything crossed he can, everything. But with Citeh and the other Magpies up next it's going to require a miracle. Last two are winnable but it's Leeds.

Warnock has always been able to pull rabbits out of hats, although not so much at Premier League level.