O/T Uk police

[Andy_Faber]

The police have, imo, always attracted more than their fair share of bullies, as have the teaching profession and the armed forces. Whether things are worse now than they were in the second half of the twentieth century, or just better - and less fearfully - reported nowadays is difficult to assess. It’d be nice to share Sith’s optimism and he may well be right about the vast majority...but Tricky does have a point.

Unfortunately what he consistently fails to recognise or address is the common denominator in all this i.e. the last 13 or so years of under investment in public services. I know this to be the case where teaching is concerned and from what, comparatively little, I understand about the police the same is true there. Add the current state of the NHS into the mix and you have your, probably unpalatable, answer TTR...13+ plus years of incompetent Tory misrule has been disastrous for our essential public services.

I'm in the awkward position of (partly) agreeing with both rA and TTR which is a first

[MadAmster]

Enough between you two thanks. Call it a drawer

... between two planks?

[Trickytreesreds]

... between two planks?

Haven't you got dykes to finger?

(it is Holland I suppose)

[MadAmster]

Haven't you got dykes to finger?

(it is Holland I suppose)

Enough of your mysogynistic and homophobe posts already...

[Trickytreesreds]

Enough of your mysogynistic and homophobe posts already...

Dam you

[Trickytreesreds]

Look at this beauty of Police madness. By the way, there is a complete lie in there as well to intimidate and cause distress in the letter. It actually means the Police broke the law.

https://stevelawsreport.co.uk/metrop...icism-of-lgbt/


meanwhile folks may/not be aware that 1,784 people have died in England and Wales after contact with the police since 1990 – yet no officer has been held to account. Or perhaps, when the thought police were chasing down flag man, they might have thought that "Dave" in their own ranks possibly deserved some more urgent attention?
https://news.sky.com/story/david-car...women-12804428

6 police forces in special measures, yet folks think everything is okay dokey and its just a few individuals?

[Andy_Faber]

Look at this beauty of Police madness. By the way, there is a complete lie in there as well to intimidate and cause distress in the letter. It actually means the Police broke the law.

https://stevelawsreport.co.uk/metrop...icism-of-lgbt/


meanwhile folks may/not be aware that 1,784 people have died in England and Wales after contact with the police since 1990 – yet no officer has been held to account. Or perhaps, when the thought police were chasing down flag man, they might have thought that "Dave" in their own ranks possibly deserved some more urgent attention?
https://news.sky.com/story/david-car...women-12804428

6 police forces in special measures, yet folks think everything is okay dokey and its just a few individuals?

Best way of getting the police to attend an incident (in my old juresdiction, I've moved now thank God)? Tell them the incident was the theft/defacing of a pride flag and they are on the case like moths round a flame. Anything else, you just get the next crime number

[Trickytreesreds]

Best way of getting the police to attend an incident (in my old juresdiction, I've moved now thank God)? Tell them the incident was the theft/defacing of a pride flag and they are on the case like moths round a flame. Anything else, you just get the next crime number

The point being Andy, the police who were once regarded as the finest in the world by many. Are now like a rudderless ship, infested with perverts/racists/mysoginists/ liars, who seem to think they can do/say what they want, no matter how heinous either.
I really do pity the very many great officers out there. But what does even a good copper do, when told to persue and hound a guy over a tweet that someone gets hurt feelings for? Meanwhile, granny gets mugged and is in hospital whilst no copper within a mile helps?

The funding side of it, raised by RA I get. Cops move about in police cars now and do very little street work.
They are under manned, they are being led by idiots.
But who decides that the police are now thought police and even where a crime hasn't been committed, think they have the right and duty to re educate someones opinions?


Back to the original video. The girl was brought home for being drunk. Fine/ good job. Being autistic, she makes an innocent comment saying the woman cop "looks like her lesbian nana".
Now she is in her own house, this wouldn't be a crime, even it really was hate speech.
But before she knows it, 7 officers are trying drag her out in cuffs, for "hate speech"
She has a melt down with her condition and the lack of empathy and rough handed tactics employed are embarrassing.

She was held for 20 hours and released with no charges and everything dropped.
I'd be suing the arse off them.

WTF is going on here?

[ramAnag]

I wouldn't undermine that analogy of undercutting funds.
But my gripe with the police is standards and priorities.

The bar has been lowered so much, that all sorts now infiltrate their ranks.
Their priorities are so messed up, it;s beyond a joke. From burglaries just being logged and not attended. To playing political games with woke agendas.

The Met is the pinacle of corruption and warped ideals. *** cases/fraudsters/racists/violent bullies etc.
That isn't funds, it's recruitment,ethics and training.

I've told you before, just watch a youtube video of a member of the public videoing from a public place and watch their reaction. It's a lawful activity, which they do themselves, yet their interpretation of who can do it and who can't results in false arrest/ and hands on. Then a compensation pay out, time and again.

I defy anyone, who tells me that standards haven't changed in the last 20-30 years, never mind just the Tory rule.

There was a time, when your car radio got nicked and the coppers would come out, look and try to arrest someone. Now? You're lucky if they take a rape seriously and that's if they haven't done it.

Something is seriously wrong in there and more an more forces are getting pulled up for it.

Not going to disagree with everything there Tricky although I think your preoccupations with ‘woke’ and ‘gay rights’ are huge red herrings.

There is at least some truth in much of your criticism but in my experience these changes you speak of are from the last 10-13 years not 20-30.

I’ll stick with teaching because I obviously know much more about that than policing.
I know for a fact that people I appointed as TA’s 15 or more years ago are now performing the role of teachers. Why? Because they’re cheaper.
Look too at the whole notion of ‘Assistant Heads’. What are they? They’re Deputy Heads in all but name...fulfil the same role...but are paid a great deal less. I can’t really tell the difference between an Assistant Heads job description and my own as a Deputy from over a decade ago and yet I was still paid more pre 2010 than they appear to be now.

So, in teaching at least, standards are being driven down and the career structure ruined by underfunding. Your ‘bar has been lowered’ theory is true in education and may well be in the police service but, as with the NHS, years of underfunding are the principle cause much more than one of your other hobby horses.

[Trickytreesreds]

Not going to disagree with everything there Tricky although I think your preoccupations with ‘woke’ and ‘gay rights’ are huge red herrings.

There is at least some truth in much of your criticism but in my experience these changes you speak of are from the last 10-13 years not 20-30.

I’ll stick with teaching because I obviously know much more about that than policing.
I know for a fact that people I appointed as TA’s 15 or more years ago are now performing the role of teachers. Why? Because they’re cheaper.
Look too at the whole notion of ‘Assistant Heads’. What are they? They’re Deputy Heads in all but name...fulfil the same role...but are paid a great deal less. I can’t really tell the difference between an Assistant Heads job description and my own as a Deputy from over a decade ago and yet I was still paid more pre 2010 than they appear to be now.

So, in teaching at least, standards are being driven down and the career structure ruined by underfunding. Your ‘bar has been lowered’ theory is true in education and may well be in the police service but, as with the NHS, years of underfunding are the principle cause much more than one of your other hobby horses.

I agree. But because funding has been lowered, would a person in your profession have a free reign to commit racism/*** acts/mysoginy/ fraud and break the law as they see fit?

No I doubt it very much.
I used to be proud of our police for not having firearms. I now dread the day they get them, because its coming.