Neil Warnock

[SBRed48]

Not my understanding of it.
Conway to my knowledge didn’t become co-chair BECAUSE of the Investor Group.
Conway became co-chair because the major shareholder Chien Lee wanted him there to takeover the lead role at the club.
Lee and Conway were business partners before the Barnsley takeover.
The investor group will have followed advice from the Chair at that time - Chien Lee.

And from that there was a contract put together that enabled Conway to be in charge for 4 years.

When that contract expired - and the Crynes, Neerav and JAQ had witnessed at first hand how Lee and Conway operated - they pooled their resources to get Lee and Conway out of the club.
It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the clubs approach to the EFL is another lever in achieving that.

We should be thanking JAQ to the high heavens for doing that.
So please get off her case.

On top of this - JAQ brings a total breath of fresh air to the usual stale fuddy duddy old fashioned cobweb covered proceedings of a football club.
She brings with her a positive attitude (which some in Barnsley just can’t handle) and with that a multitude of new ideas.
She is EXACTLY what Barnsley Football Club needed.

Where are your sources for this information Nudge ?

Are you denying that Conway set up a Special Aquisition Company in the USA to pitch to the New York finance market about profits that could be made from undervalued European soccer clubs and by player trading ? How else do you think four New York Hedge Funds together developed a sudden interest in Barnsley Football Club. They gave Conway four years to make the promised profits.

Which company were Lee and Conway "business partners" in?
Lee came from a budget hotel business chain based in China.
Conway was in partnership with Grace Hung running the Pacific Media Group.

Lee and Parekh were business people attracted by the European project Conway and was pitching to the Investor Group and they grouped in a Consortium to buy the 80% of Barnsley FC Cryne put on offer. Lee was the major shareholder so was one Co-Chairman. Conway and the Investor Group were the next biggest shareholder and Conway became the other Co Chairman.

The EFL Findings will soon show which version is correct.

[Young_Nudger]

Not sure why you are asking that question Nudge but I enjoy fishing, crown green bowling & my main pastime is walking / hiking especially mountains when possible in an effort to raise money for charities & self achievement , regarding costs involved I havn"t a clue what I spend .

Well - you spend what you can.
Same as I do.

A few days ago I was talking to a panel beater for Aston Martin cars.
He was telling me that buying an old Aston Martin that’s been in a barn can cost up to about £500k.
He said then getting it road worthy can cost another £500k or above.
That’s over £1 million just for a car.
Some of the famous people he mentioned have strings of these cars.

That’s cars.
Other wealthy people might be interested in buying horses or certain pieces of art from certain artists.
Our wealthy owners - like most foreign owners of English football clubs - are interested in football - especially English football.
They want to use their money to buy into the game.
It then becomes a hobby - a pastime - an obsession to try to make it work - to make their club a winner as much as someone buying a race horse would do.
The thrill is not about making money - that part of their life is already well cared for - the thrill is being part of something, the game, and seeing that horse or that club win.

This of course is a totally different mindset to the average guy living in Barnsley that’s had to struggle to earn every penny.
So I understand why some find it difficult to understand.

BTW - that’s these owners - which are like most owners of football clubs.
They cannot be confused with those that were here before.
As we found out - they were here for all the wrong reasons.

[Shadrack the Red]

Well - you spend what you can.
Same as I do.

A few days ago I was talking to a panel beater for Aston Martin cars.
He was telling me that buying an old Aston Martin that’s been in a barn can cost up to about £500k.
He said then getting it road worthy can cost another £500k or above.
That’s over £1 million just for a car.
Some of the famous people he mentioned have strings of these cars.

That’s cars.
Other wealthy people might be interested in buying horses or certain pieces of art from certain artists.
Our wealthy owners - like most foreign owners of English football clubs - are interested in football - especially English football.
They want to use their money to buy into the game.
It then becomes a hobby - a pastime - an obsession to try to make it work - to make their club a winner as much as someone buying a race horse would do.
The thrill is not about making money - that part of their life is already well cared for - the thrill is being part of something, the game, and seeing that horse or that club win.

This of course is a totally different mindset to the average guy living in Barnsley that’s had to struggle to earn every penny.
So I understand why some find it difficult to understand.

BTW - that’s these owners - which are like most owners of football clubs.
They cannot be confused with those that were here before.
As we found out - they were here for all the wrong reasons.

I get what your point however most owners of football clubs are fanatics of the game , they are supporters , fans & football lovers who want to get into the game whilst I am afraid that there has not been that kind of connection with the original consortium & newly formed revamped owners are just an extension of Conway & his crew , they allegedly were billionaires who had no connections with football thus to me means they saw it and still see it as a business opportunity , you do not become rich & wealthy by turning into a charity , I will repeat they have no connection with our club & no connection with the game , I might be in a minority but I would love them to move on and sell the club to someone with an affiliation to our club or even an affiliation to our game because simply they do not know the game & the way they run the club is testomy to my thoughts .

[Acido]

I totally agree Shad, I'd also like to see them pack up and leave (and that's the nicest way I can put it lol).
But then where would we be, as I'm not sure if we'd have anybody else willing to take over. And even though I hate us being run as a business and not as a football club anymore, we've got to be careful what we wish for.
They are not football people though, and they seem to just keep dragging us through more embarrassing situations.
And Julie Q might be positive and enthusiastic etc, but what's that got to do with running a football club sensibly ?. 😩

[Acido]

You’re probably right. Warnock would’ve never worked under those charlatans.
I’ll go back to forgetting that season existed now as it was awful to watch.

And going back to the subject of Colin..
I agree he would never have come here and worked with this lot. I can't stand the bloke to be honest, he is a total 'Colin', but he does the job that is asked of him.
And this lot would have been scared of him, imagine him ranting and raving at Khaledo. 😁

[Young_Nudger]

I get what your point however most owners of football clubs are fanatics of the game , they are supporters , fans & football lovers who want to get into the game whilst I am afraid that there has not been that kind of connection with the original consortium & newly formed revamped owners are just an extension of Conway & his crew , they allegedly were billionaires who had no connections with football thus to me means they saw it and still see it as a business opportunity , you do not become rich & wealthy by turning into a charity , I will repeat they have no connection with our club & no connection with the game , I might be in a minority but I would love them to move on and sell the club to someone with an affiliation to our club or even an affiliation to our game because simply they do not know the game & the way they run the club is testomy to my thoughts .

I can’t understand why you are singling out the foreign owners of Barnsley.
I believe it’s totally unfair to berate these owners just because they are foreigners.
What makes them any different to foreign owners of other football clubs in England or for that matter foreign owners of football clubs anywhere else in the world ???
Are the Man City owners here to make a profit ???

As for coming from Barnsley - yes of course it would be great if we had a billionaire from Tarn wanting to buy the club.
But we haven’t got Billionaires in Barnsley.

What we had was Patrick who loved the club - and even if we say he was worth £100 million it wasn’t enough to further the club’s potential - as Keith Hill said at the time ‘we are shopping at Lidl’.
I heard Patrick himself say that Barnsley were constantly being out bid for players.

What we have now is the ideal combination on the board.
Links with the past and Barnsley with the Crynes owning 20% - and wealthy foreign owners owning 80%.

If these owners sell - they would likely sell to other foreign owners.
There are wealthy people throughout the world that would love to be involved in the English leagues - the best football leagues in the world.

As for links to football - I’ve no links to football and I would imagine the vast majority of supporters have no links to football.
All of us are just fans.
Although the owners have that added interest of having put more than the price of a ST into the club.

As supporters we have of course to watch very carefully what the owners do - whether they are foreign or not.
Giving them the opportunity to see what they can do.
If they do slip up - that’s the time to criticise.

But so far - and it’s only been about 2 years since they took over - these owners have been great.
With the exception of signing Collins of course - who IMO is an excellent HC that can motivate players - but he doesn’t (or refuses?) to play the Barnsley System.
Warnock would probably be the same.

[Shadrack the Red]

I can’t understand why you are singling out the foreign owners of Barnsley.
I believe it’s totally unfair to berate these owners just because they are foreigners.
What makes them any different to foreign owners of other football clubs in England or for that matter foreign owners of football clubs anywhere else in the world ???
Are the Man City owners here to make a profit ???

As for coming from Barnsley - yes of course it would be great if we had a billionaire from Tarn wanting to buy the club.
But we haven’t got Billionaires in Barnsley.

What we had was Patrick who loved the club - and even if we say he was worth £100 million it wasn’t enough to further the club’s potential - as Keith Hill said at the time ‘we are shopping at Lidl’.
I heard Patrick himself say that Barnsley were constantly being out bid for players.

What we have now is the ideal combination on the board.
Links with the past and Barnsley with the Crynes owning 20% - and wealthy foreign owners owning 80%.

If these owners sell - they would likely sell to other foreign owners.
There are wealthy people throughout the world that would love to be involved in the English leagues - the best football leagues in the world.

As for links to football - I’ve no links to football and I would imagine the vast majority of supporters have no links to football.
All of us are just fans.
Although the owners have that added interest of having put more than the price of a ST into the club.

As supporters we have of course to watch very carefully what the owners do - whether they are foreign or not.
Giving them the opportunity to see what they can do.
If they do slip up - that’s the time to criticise.

But so far - and it’s only been about 2 years since they took over - these owners have been great.
With the exception of signing Collins of course - who IMO is an excellent HC that can motivate players - but he doesn’t (or refuses?) to play the Barnsley System.
Warnock would probably be the same.

What are you on about ? I have never ever referred to the owners as foreigners & I resent your insinuations , I have always referred to our owners as business people who in my eyes saw us as an investment & that opinion stays the same , and as for your last point when are you going to realise that there is no such thing as "The Barnsley System " that system only exists in your head .

[SBRed48]

Nudge has recently played the gender card on me concerning JAQ's role in the ownership goings on at Grove Street.

Now he plays the race/ foreigner card on Shads, which is totally unacceptable.

Classic Nudge diversion tactics to steer away from the central issues. Set up an imaginary straw man to attack.

Time to apologise Nudge but I won't hold my breath.

[Young_Nudger]

What are you on about ? I have never ever referred to the owners as foreigners & I resent your insinuations , I have always referred to our owners as business people who in my eyes saw us as an investment & that opinion stays the same , and as for your last point when are you going to realise that there is no such thing as "The Barnsley System " that system only exists in your head .

I must have misinterpreted the comment about not understanding the culture.
Also SB banging on about New York Hedge Funds has muddied the water a bit.

Yes yer right I can no longer refer to the Barnsley System anymore.

From this day forth it’s the Game Model.
Same thing - different title.

[Shadrack the Red]

I must have misinterpreted the comment about not understanding the culture.
Also SB banging on about New York Hedge Funds has muddied the water a bit.

Yes yer right I can no longer refer to the Barnsley System anymore.

From this day forth it’s the Game Model.
Same thing - different title.

You accuse me of berating the owners because they are in your words foreigners , you are bang out of order & treading on thin ice , I have never said anything of the sort & never implied it & please do not use other posters & blame them for muddying the water , you know exactly what you said & I repeat you are bang out of order .