Our players who are league 2 standard

[LaxtonLad]

It’s the style of play we have adapted making it so easy to play against plus we have no ability either coaching or playing wise to mix it up and have a plan B during tight games. Salford are fighting for their lives and we couldn’t hurt them at any point during the game and how many goals have they conceded this year. I’ve said it before, we need to adapt our style of play to the league we are representing and not fantasy football.

Our style of play was fine in non-league when we were finding the time to ponder our next move but we are still playing the same way against better managers who have better players but we still expect to control games. It's an obvious fact but we haven't addressed it. We kept at first much the same defence which is now definitely looking shaky even though we have brought in fresh faces. We also have bought a totally unknown striker for £125K when we should have been looking for a couple of big and ugly but canny experienced defenders, imagine if Jatta gets injured, what then? Still a wobbly defence, that's what. In my opinion though, by far the major problem is the inexperienced manager who still has no idea who is playing well and who is an also-ran.

[The_Don_ORiordan]

It’s the style of play we have adapted making it so easy to play against plus we have no ability either coaching or playing wise to mix it up and have a plan B during tight games. Salford are fighting for their lives and we couldn’t hurt them at any point during the game and how many goals have they conceded this year. I’ve said it before, we need to adapt our style of play to the league we are representing and not fantasy football.

Would playing hoofball have meant Cameron would have tackled the player running through?

The style is an issue, but no matter what style you need the players to execute it. We have too many who are not good enough.

[i961pie]

II will respond to OP original question and his interpretation that they can be effective at this level and above.

Certainties:
Macari
Palmer
Bostock
Langstaff
McGoldrick
Crowley
Langstaff
Jones
Robertson

Potentially:
Jatta (physucality)
Scott
Baldwin ( if he loses his arrogance and has someone he respects alongside)
Chicksen ( could do a job in a 4. Quick, does sense danger, just dont ask him to forward.
TAR ( Id like to see him in a 4 at R
JOB (player coach, use in emegency)

Never:
Cameron ( he is really poor as a player and captain)
Rawlo ( great pro but too slow now)
Brindley ( doesnt want to play)
Nemane (Crowley acts as his guide dog. He wouldnt have a clue unless he's spoon fed opportunities to cross which with remarkable consistency fails to find a team mate)
Slocombe
Stone
Brooks ( if he cant get a game in front of thec3 we have now, its a waste of a wage
Austin ( sad to say this because he really tries, but probably a little lightweight and not quick enough to compensate)
Munakandafa ( no progress, doesnt look good enough)

Not seen enough but probably no:
Bajrami
Morias
Randall

Cant say yet:
Colkett

Would keep with potential to bring through:

Mahovo
Sanderson

I agree with the majority of that but would swap Nemane with either Chicksen or Tar.

[1955pie]

And there lies in a large part the crux of the problem. The philosophy was for us not to change identity with a change in management and now we don't seem to know who we are.

Did LW take some magic beans away with him?

When LW replaced IB the identity did change.
When SM replaced LW the identity changed again.
Suggests that you can’t change a manager without changing the identity of the club.
There may be a many possession based managers on Radars’ list. Fewer who are able/prepared to work with what they’ve got and with little input on who comes in. Now we and the club know they also have to bring the right identity with them.

[Old_pie]

When LW replaced IB the identity did change.

Changed or improved in the same direction?

When SM replaced LW the identity changed again.

Seems to me to have been lost rather than changed

Suggests that you can’t change a manager without changing the identity of the club.
There may be a many possession based managers on Radars’ list. Fewer who are able/prepared to work with what they’ve got and with little input on who comes in. Now we and the club know they also have to bring the right identity with them.

Well it will be interesting as I'm sure the Bros thought SM was bringing in the right identity.

What I wonder is if they will accept a different style? The more I think about it the more credit to LW, who clearly is a coach way above NL level, that he was able to counter a weak defence by a strong attack and get more out of NL players than most coaches would at this sort of level. Whenever have we been successful without a good goalkeeper and back four?

[upthemaggies]

I do have to laugh when people talk about our "identity" as if we're West Ham. It's a bit late now, over 150 years into this story, to define ourselves by a very contemporary style of play.

I was listening to an interview with Jah Wobble recently (Pil bass player), a big Spurs fan, and he made the observation that the Premier League often now resembles Junior School football with players charging at the ball and doing what we as kids were told not to do and that in another 20 years or so's time, we'll look back at the 2020s as an insane era of football that we'll all laugh at.

For certain, the game does continue to change, both on and off the pitch, often in ways nobody could foresee. What worked for Brighton and Brentford a decade ago from their starting position of L1 may not work in 2024 for a club way back in the NL.

[Lullapie]

I do have to laugh when people talk about our "identity" as if we're West Ham. It's a bit late now, over 150 years into this story, to define ourselves by a very contemporary style of play.

I was listening to an interview with Jah Wobble recently (Pil bass player), a big Spurs fan, and he made the observation that the Premier League often now resembles Junior School football with players charging at the ball and doing what we as kids were told not to do and that in another 20 years or so's time, we'll look back at the 2020s as an insane era of football that we'll all laugh at.

For certain, the game does continue to change, both on and off the pitch, often in ways nobody could foresee. What worked for Brighton and Brentford a decade ago from their starting position of L1 may not work in 2024 for a club way back in the NL.

Great points. As I keep seeing on NCM, there's some Notts fans who seem to believe that the rest of the world considers us as the last bastions of pure football. We're a struggling League 2 team, with a manager who is out of his depth. I look around other League 2 clubs and they don't seem to have the same managerial crisis that we are currently experiencing.

[LeftPeg_Pie]

Macari
Baldwin
Cameron - Undeserving of a decent portion of stick he’s getting.
Nemane
Jones
Robertson
Bostock
Palmer
Crowley
Langstaff
McGoldrick

All capable of playing well in L2, although I expect Jones and Macca to be gone this summer, at least. It’s early days for Jatta but I think he’s more than capable of being highly successful in L2.

Sam Austin is a bit of a sticking point. Good squad player, versatile and gives it his all. Probably worth another year.

It’s a shame Scott and Bajrami have been injured so the jury is out on them.

Everyone else can go for me. I like a lot of them; Brindley, Connell, Chicksen, TAR, JOB and Slocombe. But it’s a purely down to the decency bias of them being the guys that got us up.

[marky]

It's a shocking indictment on the recruitment that Notts have so few players up to the level they're playing in which isn't even that good anyway.