New England Manager

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Do you not think there’s a massive difference between managing kids and non established players compared to handling the elite, mega wealthy superstars with massive egos?

You don’t need to have been a top player to be a top player, Klopp and many others have proved that.

They’ve also proved they can handle the media, manage expectations and disappointments and that they can be the figurehead of an organisation…..Carsley has done none of the above.

If he’s a crash hot as is being suggested, why have no clubs hunted him down?

I’m not saying he’s not got a chance of being a good manager 923 but I feel you need to earn this job by having done top jobs and dealt with huge stress.

Managing England youth and under 21 is not that.

Yes I do think there's a massive difference between managing kids but I also think there is a massive difference managing a club side and an international team. We've tried the successful club manager so many times and it's failed everytime. So perhaps it's not so v ital. Perhaps it's time for a change.

Have a look at the bloke who has just managed Spain to the Euros title. Having previously managed Bilbao reserves and Alaves for just 11 games he then managed Spain U16's thro to U23's. Spanish fans didn't want him. Not a big enough name. Done OK!

Is 'he has Southgate's DNA running through him' still your primary concern or has his record persuaded you different?

I'll come back to, of all the Englishmen named he is the only one that has on his CV 'WINNER'

[Albionic68]

Why the obsession with Jimmy Shan?......

In fairness it's worth remembering Jimmy Shan is but one person on an extremely long and comprehensive list of Al's obsessions, you can't reasonably expect him to remember the 'why' with all of them 😉 .

[mickd1961]

Yes I do think there's a massive difference between managing kids but I also think there is a massive difference managing a club side and an international team. We've tried the successful club manager so many times and it's failed everytime. So perhaps it's not so v ital. Perhaps it's time for a change.

Have a look at the bloke who has just managed Spain to the Euros title. Having previously managed Bilbao reserves and Alaves for just 11 games he then managed Spain U16's thro to U23's. Spanish fans didn't want him. Not a big enough name. Done OK!

Is 'he has Southgate's DNA running through him' still your primary concern or has his record persuaded you different?

I'll come back to, of all the Englishmen named he is the only one that has on his CV 'WINNER'

I’ll tell you what the difference is here in my opinion.

It’s maybe down to the Spanish mentality whereby elite players respect a coach that’s worked his way through the way Spain’s coach has.

I’ll give you an example of the “English problem” as I see it.

Bellingham!

I’m surprised and disappointed at what a pain in the a r s e the guy is fast becoming, I’m sure you’ve read about him ignoring English media, acting like a Diva, throwing his toys out of the pram, screaming at Southgate during the final!

The only reason a player acts like this is because he thinks he can get away with it, ie. the coach is weak and doesn’t command the respect.

Do you think he’d do that with Klopp or Pep?

The problem is our players not the coaching abilities of Carsley.

[baggieal]

In fairness it's worth remembering Jimmy Shan is but one person on an extremely long and comprehensive list of Al's obsessions, you can't reasonably expect him to remember the 'why' with all of them 😉 .

Every time I see a parked bus it reminds me of that useless p rick! Under 18’s Coach now so found his level! Say no more!

[Omegstrat6]

I’ll tell you what the difference is here in my opinion.

It’s maybe down to the Spanish mentality whereby elite players respect a coach that’s worked his way through the way Spain’s coach has.

I’ll give you an example of the “English problem” as I see it.

Bellingham!

I’m surprised and disappointed at what a pain in the a r s e the guy is fast becoming, I’m sure you’ve read about him ignoring English media, acting like a Diva, throwing his toys out of the pram, screaming at Southgate during the final!

The only reason a player acts like this is because he thinks he can get away with it, ie. the coach is weak and doesn’t command the respect.

Do you think he’d do that with Klopp or Pep?

The problem is our players not the coaching abilities of Carsley.

Yes, what has happened to Bellingham? I understand that the British media have a long history of building individuals up only to then wanting to knock them down but, reading between the lines and watching his reactions sometimes, it does indeed seem that he has begun to believe his own hype too much. Certainly at odds with the Bellingham that appeared to have his feet quite firmly planted on the ground and who shed tears at leaving BCFC who is remembered so fondly by Blues fans.

Guess fame and fortune will do that to you unless you've someone close who is able to bring you back down to earth every now and then. Mind you, I don't think the diva thing is just an English problem-"winker" Ronaldo for example? That said, I do agree that you need a manager with the nous and strength to deal with the "celebrity" players.

[mickd1961]

Yes, what has happened to Bellingham? I understand that the British media have a long history of building individuals up only to then wanting to knock them down but, reading between the lines and watching his reactions sometimes, it does indeed seem that he has begun to believe his own hype too much. Certainly at odds with the Bellingham that appeared to have his feet quite firmly planted on the ground and who shed tears at leaving BCFC who is remembered so fondly by Blues fans.

Guess fame and fortune will do that to you unless you've someone close who is able to bring you back down to earth every now and then. Mind you, I don't think the diva thing is just an English problem-"winker" Ronaldo for example? That said, I do agree that you need a manager with the nous and strength to deal with the "celebrity" players.

A lot has been made about Bellingham’s family unit Omeg, plenty of positive noises.

I feel there’s a different narrative though, I’m in the unique position to know a bit more about this subject due to his dad being a Stourbridge FC legend and the lad being born in the town.

I have to be somewhat careful in my choice of words as I don’t want to divulge sources and end up dragging other acquaintances into this.

His old man let the club down by signing for Leamington around 14 or 15 years ago, I was told directly by someone within the hierarchy as to just how p I s s e d off they were having been given his word.

Apparently, his old man is extremely hard nosed and doesn’t care if he puts noses out of joint.

His reputation is that he has always put himself first rather than team first, he was certainly one of the most selfish players I’ve ever seen on the pitch.

He is the one calling the shots, Jude’s “career plan” has been mapped out years ago when they realised how talented he was.

Dortmund was always first choice after Blues and then in an ideal world, Madrid to follow.

The rumour has long been that he may well never play in the Premier League.

I have the feeling they’ve long intended to stay at a distance from U.K. media and that by playing abroad there’s less intrusiveness into everyday life.

The problem is that they’ve poked the bear and made things worse with our media.

I can’t think that his mum and dad will be enjoying his Billy Big Boll o c k s” attitude though and seeing what’s been said and written.

I’m hoping they give him a slap and that he wakes up, if he doesn’t, this could turn very ugly for him.

Any star needs friends in the media, he and his father need to understand this.

[Omegstrat6]

A lot has been made about Bellingham’s family unit Omeg, plenty of positive noises.

I feel there’s a different narrative though, I’m in the unique position to know a bit more about this subject due to his dad being a Stourbridge FC legend and the lad being born in the town.

I have to be somewhat careful in my choice of words as I don’t want to divulge sources and end up dragging other acquaintances into this.

His old man let the club down by signing for Leamington around 14 or 15 years ago, I was told directly by someone within the hierarchy as to just how p I s s e d off they were having been given his word.

Apparently, his old man is extremely hard nosed and doesn’t care if he puts noses out of joint.

His reputation is that he has always put himself first rather than team first, he was certainly one of the most selfish players I’ve ever seen on the pitch.

He is the one calling the shots, Jude’s “career plan” has been mapped out years ago when they realised how talented he was.

Dortmund was always first choice after Blues and then in an ideal world, Madrid to follow.

The rumour has long been that he may well never play in the Premier League.

I have the feeling they’ve long intended to stay at a distance from U.K. media and that by playing abroad there’s less intrusiveness into everyday life.

The problem is that they’ve poked the bear and made things worse with our media.

I can’t think that his mum and dad will be enjoying his Billy Big Boll o c k s” attitude though and seeing what’s been said and written.

I’m hoping they give him a slap and that he wakes up, if he doesn’t, this could turn very ugly for him.

Any star needs friends in the media, he and his father need to understand this.

Interesting read Mick and puts a bit more perspective on it. I suspect that a degree of "pushy parent" syndrome is behind many a successful sportsman/woman or artist (though there are equally several examples of those who have lost one or both parents at an early age and developed a particular drive within themselves to succeed). Whatever, the media can be very fickle and being in the limelight cannot always be very pleasant so I think you're right about him and his family being better to rethink their relationship with the press.

Saw a few flashes of the quality he clearly possesses at the Euro's and Southgate shoe-horning both him and Foden into positions both were uncomfortable with in order to play them together certainly didn't help, but over all he didn't have a great tournament. I understand the frustrations that he might have felt (along with those that other players, pundits and fans felt) but indications of any bad attitude won't help him.

[BaggieSingh]

Why does Bellingham need England ?
There is nothing really to gain for him there

He will mostly always be picked, and beyond that what can he actually do ?

Southgate played him left wing so the ineffective Foden could get on the ball more

Didn’t work with a striker who was behind Foden at all times

Bellingham and his camp are all rightly behind project Bellingham and not England
If we want him we need to acknowledge his strengths and not criticise his weaknesses

I’d do the same for my boy

[mickd1961]

Why does Bellingham need England ?
There is nothing really to gain for him there

He will mostly always be picked, and beyond that what can he actually do ?

Southgate played him left wing so the ineffective Foden could get on the ball more

Didn’t work with a striker who was behind Foden at all times

Bellingham and his camp are all rightly behind project Bellingham and not England
If we want him we need to acknowledge his strengths and not criticise his weaknesses

I’d do the same for my boy

Good to hear from you BS….hope you and your daughter are well?

It’s been difficult to acknowledge Bellingham’s strengths in recent weeks.

He’s become more “Bellend” than “Bellingham”.

He needs to wind his neck in mate, for his sake as much as anything.

[Prando]

I hope not, Carsley has a face I just want to punch.

Carsley had Southgate’s DNA running through him!

Potter may be an ex Baggie if absolutely no repute whatsoever as a player but he did an amazing job with his Swedish side in Europe and then at Swansea and even more so at Brighton.

What goes around….