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[swaledale]

Gammon is not one of the words you’ve used that have caused deletion, we’ve had that discussion and our views differ, repeated use of it just make you look silly

I suggest you read my post again! I didn't say you had, I was intimating you would if I did! Obviously a little to subtle for you to understand, apologies for overestimating your ability to comprehend simple terms.

Quite how me conclusively proving that the use of the word gammon doesn't meet the definition of hate speech makes me look silly is a bit of a puzzle.

Our views may differ on its use, but unfortunately in the real world, because you think something doesn't make it a fact or true. Repeatedly saying it does, makes you the one that looks silly.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tanya Gold, Gammon,

There is a new term of abuse in politics: a “gammon”. It refers to a middle-aged white man of a certain political persuasion. He is a Brexiteer. He is ugly. He is a conservative. He may wear hideous trousers. And, because he is a Brexiteer and so very ugly and a conservative who may wear hideous trousers, why not call him a gammon? Particularly if you are in politics to have fun, rather than to change minds.


The term is stupid – all name-calling is. Good politics is made of ideas and coalitions and compromises. It’s hard to do, of course, it requires patience and humility, not shouting and grandstanding and undiagnosed malignant narcissism. But calling someone a gammon is not only a stupid waste of a two-syllable word, and meal. It is also, to steal leftist language, hate speech. There seems to be an idea, most recently spoken by Owen Jones, that when the left says something – whatever it is – it is not, and never can be, hate speech. So, let me – as a Jew, shall we say? – explain why it is.

Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do?

I’m sure the term didn’t begin as a racist slur. It was, as it so often is, a writer trying to be funny.

No one is sure who said it first – they are hardly fighting over it. Dickens used it, but he died before Twitter, and I am happy for him. The journalist Caitlin Moran compared David Cameron to ham and I can see her point. (She didn’t call him “ham”.) The comic Nish Kumar has said “gammon”, as has the writer Ben Davis, who has since written an article apologising for it. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.

Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isn’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I can’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you don’t like his politics. For saying this, I will be called a Tory and worse. I’m not. I’m Labour. Compute that, comrades.


So a Labour voting Jew thinks it is.

[swaledale]

Tanya Gold, Gammon,

There is a new term of abuse in politics: a “gammon”. It refers to a middle-aged white man of a certain political persuasion. He is a Brexiteer. He is ugly. He is a conservative. He may wear hideous trousers. And, because he is a Brexiteer and so very ugly and a conservative who may wear hideous trousers, why not call him a gammon? Particularly if you are in politics to have fun, rather than to change minds.


The term is stupid – all name-calling is. Good politics is made of ideas and coalitions and compromises. It’s hard to do, of course, it requires patience and humility, not shouting and grandstanding and undiagnosed malignant narcissism. But calling someone a gammon is not only a stupid waste of a two-syllable word, and meal. It is also, to steal leftist language, hate speech. There seems to be an idea, most recently spoken by Owen Jones, that when the left says something – whatever it is – it is not, and never can be, hate speech. So, let me – as a Jew, shall we say? – explain why it is.

Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do?

IÂ’m sure the term didnÂ’t begin as a racist slur. It was, as it so often is, a writer trying to be funny.

No one is sure who said it first – they are hardly fighting over it. Dickens used it, but he died before Twitter, and I am happy for him. The journalist Caitlin Moran compared David Cameron to ham and I can see her point. (She didn’t call him “ham”.) The comic Nish Kumar has said “gammon”, as has the writer Ben Davis, who has since written an article apologising for it. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.

Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isnÂ’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I canÂ’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you donÂ’t like his politics. For saying this, I will be called a Tory and worse. IÂ’m not. IÂ’m Labour. Compute that, comrades.


So a Labour voting Jew thinks it is.

Yeah, and your point is? I mean its a point of view, but one that's easily dismantled, but hey anybody can be clever with words and come to a conclusion that fits their point of view.

Gammon is a pejorative, description of a overweight, sweaty red faced, generally bald, over 50, white gentleman getting excessively all worked up and ranting about a variety of issues - which can include though not exclusively, immigration, political correctness, Brexit, or whatever else that irritates them. It doesn't apply to all white men over 50, all overweight white men, all people who voted for Brexit, or even anyone who voted for Tories, its almost exclusively used by other white people as a mocking term to describe those who exhibit this behaviour ( you know like posting long diatribes about immigration, Starmer, 2 tier policing and so on and so forth.

Much as some people have attempted to portray as a racist term, a bit odd given its used by the same ethnic group about their compatriots, has nothing to do with religion or race but is purely descriptive.

Still come back when the first conviction or civil case has been obtained on the use of the term.

Oh and given the amount of racist, xenophobic and ***ist abuse you have posted on this Forum maybe you should be wary of trying to lecture anybody on racist terms? Just a thought.

Now trot on old chap your boring me.

[SithHappens]

Since i had my hernia op I've been struggling to sleep. Must remember to read this thread tonight.

[Trickytreesreds]

Since i had my hernia op I've been struggling to sleep. Must remember to read this thread tonight.

Ouch, best of luck with that mate

[SithHappens]

Ouch, best of luck with that mate

Thanks been pretty awful

[macstheman]

Thanks been pretty awful

Makes one wince! 🥴
Speedy recover Sith.