OT - Coincidence or design?

[Andy_Faber]

I am a relatively ‘comfortable pensioner’ though not a wealthy one.

But, and pertinent to MA's 'revolution' thing, who says you aren't 'wealthy'? If MA's stormtroopers ever come knocking, it won't be for you to judge, in fact you may not even get the chance to offer evidence in your defence. Having seen 'mob rule' in action (no, not to the extent of the ducking stool being wheeled out but certainly ostracization etc) I've considered which side of the line I stand, answer possibly both at various times, and what the implications of that are or could be.

Not sure of your TV viewing habits but if you watch (or understand the process of) 'The Traitors', the last two nights have revealed herd instinct and its negative impact in action, and to summarise if you don't watch, two totally 'innocent' game players were ejected after a small clique convinced the peer group of their 'guilt'. Its my opinion that there's a lot of that going on in the real world, and driven by factions such as (but not only) MA's '5% folk'

[Geoff Parkstone]

Don't forget the poor leader of BLM, has lost 2 of the three houses she brought with donation money. I'm devestated for her

I hadn't heard that but it has gladdened my heart to learn this: unless the donors to her charity had the foresight to insure the homes

[ramAnag]

But, and pertinent to MA's 'revolution' thing, who says you aren't 'wealthy'? If MA's stormtroopers ever come knocking, it won't be for you to judge, in fact you may not even get the chance to offer evidence in your defence. Having seen 'mob rule' in action (no, not to the extent of the ducking stool being wheeled out but certainly ostracization etc) I've considered which side of the line I stand, answer possibly both at various times, and what the implications of that are or could be.

Not sure of your TV viewing habits but if you watch (or understand the process of) 'The Traitors', the last two nights have revealed herd instinct and its negative impact in action, and to summarise if you don't watch, two totally 'innocent' game players were ejected after a small clique convinced the peer group of their 'guilt'. Its my opinion that there's a lot of that going on in the real world, and driven by factions such as (but not only) MA's '5% folk'

I do watch ‘The Traitors’ and enjoy it. Reminds me a little of this forum sometimes and I’m not sure how Linda has survived. Don’t quite get some of the attitudes in this series. It’s a game they’ve all chosen to play and an exercise in selfish survival so why the tears and the whinging about it being a team game when it clearly is anything but?

Don’t quite understand your link to MA’s ‘revolution thing’ or who his stormtroopers are. He’s simply suggesting that we need a societal reset isn’t he? That there is something wrong where the gap between rich and poor seems ever widening.

Who says I’m not wealthy, you ask. Well it’s all relative isn’t it? I’m very wealthy compared with the poorest and a pauper compared with the wealthiest. There will always be winners and losers but when there are examples of such extravagant wealth it surely cannot be acceptable to have so many living in abject poverty.

[MadAmster]

They should have set the WFP threshold at a higher rate than the Pension Credit limit, IMO.

[Andy_Faber]

I do watch ‘The Traitors’ and enjoy it. Reminds me a little of this forum sometimes and I’m not sure how Linda has survived. Don’t quite get some of the attitudes in this series. It’s a game they’ve all chosen to play and an exercise in selfish survival so why the tears and the whinging about it being a team game when it clearly is anything but?

Don’t quite understand your link to MA’s ‘revolution thing’ or who his stormtroopers are. He’s simply suggesting that we need a societal reset isn’t he? That there is something wrong where the gap between rich and poor seems ever widening.

Who says I’m not wealthy, you ask. Well it’s all relative isn’t it? I’m very wealthy compared with the poorest and a pauper compared with the wealthiest. There will always be winners and losers but when there are examples of such extravagant wealth it surely cannot be acceptable to have so many living in abject poverty.

MA's talking a 'societal reset' but, just as it wouldn't be for you or I to decide which 'side' (have's or have nots) we fell on, it wouldn't be for MA to decide what nature the 'reset' took. Controlled, orderly? or closer to a vigilante movement? We've seen evidence of that with the summer riots and the mobs associated with BLM, both I'd sugget small extreme factions of much wider dissatisfied groups. I suggested in an earlier post that nowt will ever happen on a true 'revolution' basis because too many people are 'fat and happy' but, as the traitors demonstrates, a majority can be influenced by a minority in all sorts of ways, for good or ill

[ramAnag]

MA's talking a 'societal reset' but, just as it wouldn't be for you or I to decide which 'side' (have's or have nots) we fell on, it wouldn't be for MA to decide what nature the 'reset' took. Controlled, orderly? or closer to a vigilante movement? We've seen evidence of that with the summer riots and the mobs associated with BLM, both I'd sugget small extreme factions of much wider dissatisfied groups. I suggested in an earlier post that nowt will ever happen on a true 'revolution' basis because too many people are 'fat and happy' but, as the traitors demonstrates, a majority can be influenced by a minority in all sorts of ways, for good or ill

I doubt very much that MA would advocate change via violence and some sort of vigilante movement and suspect that he would, like me, be more in favour of orderly and peaceful revolution - for want of a better word.

I agree with you as far as your fat and happy description is concerned. As long as the majority are broadly content little will change.

For me the whole thing is encapsulated by the Mo Salah situation. I don’t know if you’ve ever visited Anfield, but it is an oasis of wealth set amongst a poor urban landscape and surrounded by some of the poorest housing you’ll find. Bit like the BBG was once, but on a much grander scale.
MS, who is a footballer I admire enormously, seems reluctant to sign a new contract which will take his combined earnings towards 1m pounds per week. He seems to be holding the club to ransom while his supporters seem happy to hold up signs saying things like ‘He fires his bow. Give Mo his Dough’.
So ordinary folk who probably struggle to pay for admission to Anfield are quite prepared to support the excessive wage demands of this football superstar.
To me that is wrong on so many levels - from sheer greed to gullibility - and just the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

[MadAmster]

?1M a week in the PL? First I've read of that level of remuneration in England.

[MadAmster]

Just read this online. I made I smile...

"They are not the elite, they are Hyper Wealthy Predator Psychopaths"

[ramAnag]

?1M a week in the PL? First I've read of that level of remuneration in England.

I did say ‘combined earnings’ so not all from the PL, obviously. He’s reported as being on 350k pw from LFC but his agent claims that image rights and other commercial activities take his earnings close to 1m per week.

Maybe the agent is bigging himself up, but the Liverpool figure is generally accepted as correct. What price loyalty? It works both ways and how much can he possibly need?

P.S. Not as much as De Bruyne and Haaland mind!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Footballers earnings - that old chestnut: but their working life is only 12 years at that income. Mine is perhaps 48 years. So would I be happy on 250k a week doing an office job. Hello yes.

Overpaid bloated egotists etc etc: yet as you say beloved by those unlikely to make 3 months of his wage in a lifetime of graft. You can't fix stupid.