Matchday Thread: Plymouth v Derby

[MadAmster]

Found the previous questions AF.

Top quaffing by the way, I don't think I've drunk ten pints of Pedi in my life[/QUOTE]

Fozzy goal v Blackburn. Yates is in an offside position, but not offside when the free kick is taken. It gets headed on by a Derby head and he's not in an offside position. Headed on a 2nd time and he's not in an offside position plus I think it came off a B'burn player's head.

Clark goal v Coventry. From the available video it's really difficult to tell as most don't show the moment there is contact with the ball. Guesstimating as to when it was taken and stopping the video, it's not clear cut. My view at the game was from just south of halfway on the East stand, the video is from the halfway camera on the West. It's possible he was just played onside by their number 11. Too close to call is the likeliest truth and that means doubt and the benefit of that goes to the attacker... provided the officials follow the rule. The big pointer to it being a goal is the lack of complaints from their players at the time and from Lamps post match.

Harness v Cov. Angle of the dangle makes it hard to go one way or the other, especially with the ball being in the air when Yates crossed. As with the offside decision, it will have been very close. The videos I've seen also don't show the position of the lino at the point Yates made contact. In all honesty, if I was going to err one side or another I'd probably go for over the line.

[MadAmster]

After reading 3 different match reports I finally found that the disallowed goal was in the 22nd minute. Fast forward the full 90 to that point...

Buffalo cross goes long, is headed back into the middle. Harness wants to go for it and is perfectly entitled to. Does he have some contact with the keeper inside the 6 yard box? Yes, and that would be sufficient to see most refs chalk the goal off. However, IMO, the contact was caused by Harness getting a slight shove from a defender. Both if these incidents are fouls. The ref seems to have chosen to give the one in Plymouth's favour and not the one in Derby's favour despite there being half a second between the two. As a former keeper I'd have been very disappointed to have dropped the ball with the minor contact. I think the contact on Harness that caused him to collide with the keeper was at least as bad. If you asked me which foul I'd give if I was forced to give one at all, I'd have to say the first one as, had that not happened the second wouldn't have happened. Ergo, a penalty to Derby, which would have been very harsh in most people's eyes but a shove is a shove and is a foul according to the Laws of the game and those Laws don't make differentiations based on where the shove takes place. I would hope that I wouldn't have given either as both were minimal and I still, possibly wrongly, view football as a contact sport. That would mean the goal stands.

Not everybody will agree with my refereeing thoughts and that's fine... as long as you all realise that I'm right

The Armstrong goal. There was a pull on a defender's shirt (not the defender who headed the ball to Armstrong) by Harness when the ball came in. From what I've seen of the way the ref reffed, I'm quite surprised he didn't disallow the effort for that one, just as he didn't give us a penalty for the pull on Jackson when Jacko hit the ball straight to the keeper from 8 yards out, late on.