Can our decline be halted without a fan protest?

[Townerslovechild]

The trouble is these days,there is zero patience for anything,and it`s sooooo easy to be critical of people.
Ronnie Moore was recently crowned our greatest ever manager,which I would broadly agree with,and yet it took him 3 years,yes 3 whole years to get out of the 4th division.
I would say at the time Ronnie wasn`t much more experienced than MH,but yet there`s plenty on here want him gone already,quite a few took against him before a ball was even kicked !
Evans got nearly a full season before we got shut,surely a new manager with some good ideas should be given the same ?

[Brin]

The trouble is these days,there is zero patience for anything,and it`s sooooo easy to be critical of people.
Ronnie Moore was recently crowned our greatest ever manager,which I would broadly agree with,and yet it took him 3 years,yes 3 whole years to get out of the 4th division.
I would say at the time Ronnie wasn`t much more experienced than MH,but yet there`s plenty on here want him gone already,quite a few took against him before a ball was even kicked !
Evans got nearly a full season before we got shut,surely a new manager with some good ideas should be given the same ?

Totally agree, too early yet to have him dismissed. Things take time, injuries in abundance, relatively new in his first full managerial role. Don't know about you but I said I'd be happy with a mid table finish and I still feel he can pull this off.

[Townerslovechild]

Totally agree, too early yet to have him dismissed. Things take time, injuries in abundance, relatively new in his first full managerial role. Don't know about you but I said I'd be happy with a mid table finish and I still feel he can pull this off.

Before a ball was kicked,given all the changes,then yes,mid table would have been fine,as long as we are playing with some passion,and there seemed to be some long term planing.....ie,some younger players with a future value.
This is pretty much what MH has been saying all season,so I am prepared to give a proper chance to achieve this,short term pain for a long term gain.
But football is almost all results these days,and I fear he won`t be given enough time for this to work.

[Yak]

The trouble is these days,there is zero patience for anything,and it`s sooooo easy to be critical of people.
Ronnie Moore was recently crowned our greatest ever manager,which I would broadly agree with,and yet it took him 3 years,yes 3 whole years to get out of the 4th division.
I would say at the time Ronnie wasn`t much more experienced than MH,but yet there`s plenty on here want him gone already,quite a few took against him before a ball was even kicked !
Evans got nearly a full season before we got shut,surely a new manager with some good ideas should be given the same ?

Ok let?s say you are correct.
If we lose the next 2 badly do we let him carry on and get us relegated?
Is that acceptable as he?s learning or not?
Not having a rant just interested in this long term patience theory how long is long term?

[the_idiotb_stardson]

The protest wouldnt be about a dip in form.It would be about the disconnect between fans and the club, the lack of communication from the club regarding a vision for the future, the ageing heirarchy who are clearly out of touch and a transfer policy which seems to take pity on players who are injury prone. Also the fact that many fans feel like they are taken for granted.

[mellowmiller]

I'd love to know how much say any of our recent managers have had in recruitment. I have a suspicion that Rob Scott may be far more influential than we realise.
Harry Redknapp said recently that it's becoming the norm for recruiters to call the shots and managers are then expected to work with what they are given.

[Heliosphan78]

I'd love to know how much say any of our recent managers have had in recruitment. I have a suspicion that Rob Scott may be far more influential than we realise.
Harry Redknapp said recently that it's becoming the norm for recruiters to call the shots and managers are then expected to work with what they are given.

You might be right but I can't think for one minute that Rob Scott would be telling Steve Evans who he can or cannot sign. Can you see that as a scenario? I personally can't.

[mellowmiller]

You might be right but I can't think for one minute that Rob Scott would be telling Steve Evans who he can or cannot sign. Can you see that as a scenario? I personally can't.

It does seem unlikely but I'm not sure because SE made the odd cryptic comment that suggested he wasn't particularly happy with the process at times.

[Derbymiller]

The issue with MH for me is his stubbornness, he will not change his approach and plays players that are not playing well, and plays players out of position even when injuries don’t require him to. It is said we expect him to be PEP what an exaggeration, there are many footballing managers that can get their team above the relegation zone who are not PEP, there are many managers that learn to change and see their mistakes.

I do not expect MH to be PEP, I do expect him to keep us in L1 and be seen not to make the same mistakes week in and week out. A lot of modern managers think they are PEP or go on their UEFA training and expect to be able to apply the theory in any situation. Doing the same thing week in and week out and expecting a different outcome is not smart, we have some decent ball players so why give 80% to 90% of the ball from our keeper to their center backs?

The next two games will be interesting to see if the discussions between players and management the other day has made any difference at all. He has to keep it simple, four at the back use our fullbacks as fullbacks and put one or two in front of those four and make us difficult to score against, that would be a start.

[RU66]

The protest wouldnt be about a dip in form.It would be about the disconnect between fans and the club, the lack of communication from the club regarding a vision for the future, the ageing heirarchy who are clearly out of touch and a transfer policy which seems to take pity on players who are injury prone. Also the fact that many fans feel like they are taken for granted.

Been same for the last 3 seasons empty promises. More empty seats as each of those go by. Nothing coming from the club to suggest that can change anytime soon.