OT: Old Mrs. May's fudge shoppe

[sidders]

...greetings Snobhead 1 ... a little quick to defend SnHd 2 there. Never mind. The Remainer stance reminds me of the 1930's when Halifax wanted to negotiate with that nice man AH. Don't upset him or he'll do nasty things to us.
As for TM, she's working well for the Establishment selling us Leavers down the river. Project Fear 2 is well under way; she thinks we'll then be grateful to accept a soft exit. Don't know who advises her but she's wrong again.

You know they're struggling when Godwin's Law comes into play.
So you think, do you, hoss s h i t, that there is time to replace May with a credible alternative?
I bet your top 3 movies are about the war and how li'l Britain showed them Krauts a thing or two.
I am bored with it all but sad at the outcome. Your lot will win the day in some form or other but in 5 years time this will be a poorer country. See how the people rate your passion about leaving the EU then.

[TheBlackHorse]

... never fear SnHd 1, at least Hos**** is good for the roses. Do you think SnHd 2 will make the next 5 years - he seems to have lost the plot. Perhaps he needs a holiday ... some good deals in Berlin, I understand ...

[Elite_Pie]

I'm a bit confused. Boris Johnson has come in for considerable criticism for his "letter box" jibe about Muslim women who wear the burkha, but I'm struggling with this explanation:

"A source close to Mr Johnson said he "won't be apologising", adding it was "ridiculous" to attack his views. "We must not fall into the trap of shutting down the debate on difficult issues," the source added. "We have to call it out. If we fail to speak up for liberal values then we are simply yielding ground to reactionaries and extremists."

The bit I don't get is that Boris seems to be espousing "liberal values". I am constantly reading on here from the rabid right that any liberal values are beneath contempt, but now one of their heroes is standing up for, wait for it.... liberal values!. How does that work?

[sidders]

... never fear SnHd 1, at least Hos**** is good for the roses. Do you think SnHd 2 will make the next 5 years - he seems to have lost the plot. Perhaps he needs a holiday ... some good deals in Berlin, I understand ...

You are an offensive little sh*tbag, aren't you? Try being the main carer for someone with Alzheimer's for 10 years then see how many jokes you can make.

[jackal2]

The word 'liberal' gets misused by all political sides, to be fair, so I don't view it as a 'left' vs 'right' thing.

My view has always been the same and I've mentioned it on other threads from time to time. You either have free speech or your don't. The line is often trotted out that "free speech comes with responsibility", but I'm afraid that's still just a mealy-mouthed way of trying to limit free speech.

Boris Johnson should be entitled to express his views freely, but the same goes for people in the Labour Party who have expressed other controversial views just recently. In fact, it goes for anyone. People should not be forced to shut up just because a certain group of people think their views are wrong or misinformed or abhorrent, even if that group is in a massive majority.

Words are what they are, and even if they are deemed to be offensive by some (including me on occasions), I still think allowing that freedom of verbal expression is better than forcing silence or self-regulation upon people, because suppression rarely if ever changes such views. In fact it is more likely to lead the suppressed individual to become more "extreme" and in some cases even violent. Pushing someone underground makes them more dangerous and more difficult to track.

I believe the law should come into play when, and only when, someone crosses the line from expressing their view in the form of words to enforcing their view with force or violence, which is unacceptable. I don't even draw the line at one person telling another person to commit violence. To me, the crime is always by the perpetrator of the violence, not by the person who advises it, however unedifying that may be.

[TheBlackHorse]

... frogpie... Perhaps you've been away for too long. (Apologies to all & sundry for repeating well trodden ground). The UK Parliamentary MP's do not represent the way the UK population voted. Left to their own way most UK MPs would remain in the EU; hence undemocratically wishing to steer decisions against the electorate. As MP's/Cameron abdicated from the decision to stay/leave they especially have no right to try to avoid or influence the exit process.
The EU parliament doesn't make laws; it rubber-stamps new EU bureaucratically devised political policy created by Germany and its fawning off-shoots.

[dam617]

Says who ?

Says everyone who voted Leave.
Chequers is 'Remain'. I know you all think we are thick but even Wee Jimmy Krankie joined the list of Remoaners backing it yesterday.
It's not Rocket Surgery.

[Elite_Pie]

Says everyone who voted Leave.

So everyone of the 51.9% who voted to leave had exactly the same interpretation of what the detail of Brexit actually meant? I don't think so somehow. I've mentioned it many times on here, but one bloke I overheard genuinely thought Brexit meant that all the Poles would be sent home! I'm sure a fair few more thought it would mean the NHS suddenly got a massive influx of funding. Even Farage admitted that wasn't going to happen. The truth is that nobody knew what Brexit actually meant, and we still don't. Most MPs of all parties wanted to remain. Even though my faith in MPs isn't that strong, surely they should have a better idea of what leaving or remaining would lead to than the average bloke in the pub. Doesn't the fact most wanted to remain tell you something?

[Bohinen]

Even though my faith in MPs isn't that strong, surely they should have a better idea of what leaving or remaining would lead to than the average bloke in the pub. Doesn't the fact most wanted to remain tell you something?

Yes, it tells you MPs don't represent the average bloke in the pub.

[Elite_Pie]

Yes, it tells you MPs don't represent the average bloke in the pub.

Having heard the opinions of many 'average blokes in the pub', I see that as a good thing. Or are you suggesting we would be better governed by the views of the average bloke in the pub rather than an elected parliament, for all their faults? Before you answer, please bear in mind that I heard one average bloke in the pub actually believing that Brexit meant all the Poles would be sent back home!