O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

Whether I like it or not Frank the electorate have no appetite for left wing policies , it's no appetite for Corbyn and Abbott even if there are some left policies they would sign up to .

We've had a decade of brutal austerity and the pantomime that is brexit , we are on our third Tory PM during this period plus a Deputy PM in Clegg and still Labour trail in the polls .

The alternative is for the ERG running the show so something has to give .

The only way Labour will see power again is to reboot New Labour in my opinion .

Hopefully Starmer who despite his Blair credentials has at least shown a willingness to work with the left and can understand the problems many working class people are facing today and more importantly putting policies in play that actually help them to prosper far more than they did under Blair .

For Labour to get in to government my multi millionaire owner at work needs to vote for them , middle management , the lads on the shop floor and the lass at the snack cabin around the corner .

Currently there isn't a vote within the business heading Labour's way .

The real answer Animal is to pretend to be on the side of the working class [like the Tories do whilst at the same time picking their pockets {austerity} & lining their cronies pockets ] but I guess that is probably your point

[great_fire]

The real answer Animal is to pretend to be on the side of the working class [like the Tories do whilst at the same time picking their pockets {austerity} & lining their cronies pockets ] but I guess that is probably your point

Or pretend to be on the side of the working class like the Unions do but support the neoliberal EU and cheap foreign labour and the resulting depression of wages and less job security.

[rolymiller]

Surely it is up to Labour to get their left wing message across by being seen to be out supporting disputes, strikes and campaigns animal. Workers need to know that Labour mps are truly on their side by their actions and not just with what they say. How can working class people identify with blairites who wouldn't know what a strike was let alone support it.

[KerrAvon]

Surely it is up to Labour to get their left wing message across by being seen to be out supporting disputes, strikes and campaigns animal. Workers need to know that Labour mps are truly on their side by their actions and not just with what they say. How can working class people identify with blairites who wouldn't know what a strike was let alone support it.

Sweetness, I don’t think you have the hang of politics. I’m not sure that supporting disputes, strikes and campaigns is quite the image that Labour wants to present. It didn’t help them in 1979 or 1987, did it?

Extinction Rebellion have some important messages, but the kicking that some of their activists got at Canning Town the other day will probably be the first of many if their campaigning continues to have an immediate adverse impact upon people’s lives.

[ragingpup]

Whether I like it or not Frank the electorate have no appetite for left wing policies , it's no appetite for Corbyn and Abbott even if there are some left policies they would sign up to .

We've had a decade of brutal austerity and the pantomime that is brexit , we are on our third Tory PM during this period plus a Deputy PM in Clegg and still Labour trail in the polls .

The alternative is for the ERG running the show so something has to give .

The only way Labour will see power again is to reboot New Labour in my opinion .

Hopefully Starmer who despite his Blair credentials has at least shown a willingness to work with the left and can understand the problems many working class people are facing today and more importantly putting policies in play that actually help them to prosper far more than they did under Blair .

For Labour to get in to government my multi millionaire owner at work needs to vote for them , middle management , the lads on the shop floor and the lass at the snack cabin around the corner .

Currently there isn't a vote within the business heading Labour's way .

Not sure it has to be an either /or situation. If be perfectly happy to see Starmer or Phillips step up (although worried about Philips under media pressure) as long as they continue to work on a similar manifesto platform which I think genuinely will appeal to the majority. The problem is that with Corbyn at the helm we are seen to be more far left than we actually are. But whoever we put forward, like 'Red Ed' (for Christ's sake!) he or she will still be portrayed as 'dangerous' and 'untrustworthy'. We forget too easily.

I dont think we have to become tories to appeal to your boss and the middle classes, we just have to make the case that society will be a better, more civilised pace to walk around and live in, that people will get better services, work security and a commitment to the environment. That we all can and should pay a bit more for these.

[animallittle3]

Surely it is up to Labour to get their left wing message across by being seen to be out supporting disputes, strikes and campaigns animal. Workers need to know that Labour mps are truly on their side by their actions and not just with what they say. How can working class people identify with blairites who wouldn't know what a strike was let alone support it.

I think you have to be very careful how you play that in this day and age , the tube workers issues aren't the commuters problems who simply want to get in to work , there's very little solidarity today never mind solidarity shared with people outside of your issues .

You'd have to have a very good cause for people to be sympathetic in this day and age .

Stripping away holidays and other further cuts to workers rights would be a reasonable reason to take action , taking action because the service wants to operate 24 hours a day wouldn't find much sympathy I'm afraid with the public .

Difficult one .

[rolymiller]

...don't put ya self down, kerr mi owd, you are not that bad...exposure to a few socialist policies will do you a world of good... you know what to do in the next election now don;t you?

yours as always,
your helpful buddy
rolypops

[KerrAvon]

...don't put ya self down, kerr mi owd, you are not that bad...exposure to a few socialist policies will do you a world of good... you know what to do in the next election now don;t you?

yours as always,
your helpful buddy
rolypops

Exposure to a few Socialist policies? What are you suggesting? That I emigrate to Venezuela? Will you send me food parcels if I do? We are mates and you wouldn't want me to waste away.

[rolymiller]

...https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-20/...empt-of-court/

I bow to your greater knowledge on this Mr.Kerr. (You are useful for some things including official mmad labour party slagger offer). Will he get done in your opinion? And if he does what will be the penalty..and if there aint a penalty should he be in contempt what is to stop him keeping doing it?

Ta a lot...mwhah

[animallittle3]

The real answer Animal is to pretend to be on the side of the working class [like the Tories do whilst at the same time picking their pockets {austerity} & lining their cronies pockets ] but I guess that is probably your point

Not exactly exile , personally the ticket I think Labour need to stand on is making capitalism fairer rather than opposing it as Corbyn seems to do although I've always agreed with his sentiment .

However as times gone on since he became Labour leader it seems his stance won't win over enough of the electorate to form a majority government .

If a decade of austerity doesn't work for you then clearly it won't ever work at the ballot box .

I'm not suggesting I'm exactly thrilled about a New Labour model but it's definitely more palatable than the ERG in government , unregulated capitalism and the free market .

Working with capitalism to challenge it rather than against it would probably bear more fruit at the ballot box in my opinion .

Throwing benefits at the old heavy industry areas wouldn't be on my list either , New Labour part two must also learn from their mistakes of the past too .

It was far from a perfect model but if done right with some brains at leadership level you get the credibility you need to win over the votes you need .