O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[rolymiller]

Tories in parliament got the mardies on because they cant get there own way, typical reaction from a bunch of over privileged spoilt brats. Its feckin cringeworthy to watch it.Do not even their small brains recognise such a vote would be a complete waste of time?

Not only that Boris couldn't even be arsed to turn up today so shows how important this vote is to him.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Tories in parliament got the mardies on because they cant get there own way, typical reaction from a bunch of over privileged spoilt brats. Its feckin cringeworthy to watch it.Do not even their small brains recognise such a vote would be a complete waste of time?

Not only that Boris couldn't even be arsed to turn up today so shows how important this vote is to him.

Yes you're right, votes are just a complete waste of time. As the failure to deliver the leave vote in the referendum demonstrates perfectly

Btw it's nearly time for us to buy Bercow another Christmas tree

[animallittle3]

I know Skinner is some what of a hero to Animal which is why I made the first post.

I have unmost respect for Animal in this debate. He has made it absolutely clear why he voted leave, did not lace it with falsehoods to enhance his position and never waivered from those beliefs.

One thing I will say is that Dennis Skinner at his age and with his history in politics isn't someone you associate with any career aspirations or he's even one to join the crowd .

Dennis is from the old labour left and has never been comfortable inside the EU .

He's seen something in Johnson's deal that he thinks may have an impact on his constituents and has voted accordingly .

He maybe right he maybe wrong but clearly that's how he sees it .

I'm fairly comfortable with Mr Skinner and the politician he is that he's voted the way he's voted not to de-rail brexit , deny democracy , about to jump ship to the Lib Dems or any other reasons many politicians have attempted to halt Brexit .

[ragingpup]

Rule preventing us helping industry eg steel Could never understand how we could bail out banks
So you think that freedom of movement is damaging to UK interests do you?

Nope, but that's the default one really. Very few Brexiteers can get beyond that when asked that question! Did we really commit as UK government to either bail out steel or not bail out banks?

[Exiletyke]

Nope, but that's the default one really. Very few Brexiteers can get beyond that when asked that question! Did we really commit as UK government to either bail out steel or not bail out banks?

Make it clear
Which of my two points are you referring to?

[animallittle3]

Nope, but that's the default one really. Very few Brexiteers can get beyond that when asked that question! Did we really commit as UK government to either bail out steel or not bail out banks?

28 unelected commissioners who are accountable to nobody could do with a rethink raging .

[MillerBill]

Pathetic Lib Lab liers with the assistance of the slimy remainiac snake Bercow obstruct this country progressing and further delay the EU exit.Businesses in this country, through this uncertainty are struggling and jobs are at risk.Opposition MPs couldn't care a toss about these job losses.85% voted in the last election on the basis Brexit would be honoured.There is only one party now standing for the vote of the people.Labour by pushing for another referendum are not to be trusted ever again,they are an absolute disgrace.

[John2]

Pathetic Lib Lab liers with the assistance of the slimy remainiac snake Bercow obstruct this country progressing and further delay the EU exit.Businesses in this country, through this uncertainty are struggling and jobs are at risk.Opposition MPs couldn't care a toss about these job losses.85% voted in the last election on the basis Brexit would be honoured.There is only one party now standing for the vote of the people.Labour by pushing for another referendum are not to be trusted ever again,they are an absolute disgrace.

If you think the nation wants Boris' deal, why would you fear a referendum?

[flourbasher]

If you think the nation wants Boris' deal, why would you fear a referendum?

Because it would take months to agree or disagree with the questions and then another few months to get it organised.

More billions gifted to the EU, more delay, more economic uncertainty, more time wasted ignoring the other issues in the UK that require attention

The other main reason is that it sets a totally unacceptable precedent in a democratic society

[KerrAvon]

If you think the nation wants Boris' deal, why would you fear a referendum?

Isn’t the reason to fear a further referendum that it might well not settle the issue?

17 million people voted to leave with the expectation that their desire to do so would be honoured by the Parliament that gave them the vote. A year after the referendum, the two largest parties stood in a General Election on manifestoes that promised to honour its outcome. They have now had a year of Parliament seeming to be intent upon not delivering on that.

Even if a sufficient number of 2016 Leave voters have now changed their mind to deliver a remain vote, there would inevitably be a large number - many millions - who would feel betrayed and angry by such an outcome. They aren’t going to be quiet and mildly accept such a volte face; they are going to agitate and some will organise, leading to The Brexit Party, or which ever vehicle Farage is using, to become a permanent player in British politics. Every General Election for the next twenty years or so will have the possibility of once again trying to leave on the agenda and, eventually, a party or coalition that promises to leave will take control of Parliament. And the danger for liberal minded people such as you and I is that such a party or coalition may not offer the managed departure that is on offer from Johnson.

Or, to put it more briefly, the Leave genie is out of the bottle and it isn’t going back in any time soon.