O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[flourbasher]

We'd suspect something was wrong if we got the result of the grand national over the pa system now fb, as it isn't run until after the 3-00 ko matches finish

Don't think we'd hear it from Millmoor Ronnie

[KerrAvon]

Did anyone tell May that her deal envisaged a customs union as a future relationship? Where did you get that from? What evidence do you have for it?

Lol. I read it, raging as opposed to relying upon a political party to tell me what it said.

I gave you a link to the May deal earlier in the the thread. Read it.

[KerrAvon]

But animal, you seem to be avoiding the question. Are you not concerned that these basic standards, that could be kept in of we choose, have been moved to non legal fta? Why do you think that is and are you not the least bit concerned, having seen what had happened in the lst 40 years that there is a big hit on worker /consumer/environment standards coming? Not the least bit concerned? Or are you a complete no dealer and want wto only with no eu trade at all?

Just out of curiosity, raging. How do do you suppose that we managed worker's rights before we signed up to Maastricht? You've told us that you are in your fifties. Can you recall people having only six days leave per year as you apparently fear.

[KerrAvon]

Apologies raging, dear chum. I should have said Lisbon, not Maastricht.

[animallittle3]

But animal, you seem to be avoiding the question. Are you not concerned that these basic standards, that could be kept in of we choose, have been moved to non legal fta? Why do you think that is and are you not the least bit concerned, having seen what had happened in the lst 40 years that there is a big hit on worker /consumer/environment standards coming? Not the least bit concerned? Or are you a complete no dealer and want wto only with no eu trade at all?

Raging I don't get concerned when people allow themselves to be manipulated and down trodden .

Why should I ?

I'm the bloke who confronted management while others stood behind me with a tenth of what they were going to do until they had the opportunity to do it .

I firmly believe and I always have that solidarity can overcome anything a government or a business inflicts on it's people or workers .

I find the selling out to the likes of the EU lets say disappointing when the truth is that the working class have always had the means to overcome anything anybody ever threw at them .

I'm at an age when I've let go and thought you know what , sit on your @sses and get fecked over then .

The Labour Party could help of course by hmm actually winning a GE instead of losing votes by the thousands every week .

Voting it down tomorrow is of course set to lose them even more but hey ho there's only a GE around the corner .

The electorate are never wrong raging .

[Shark27]

If parliament voted against the deal tomorrow and Boris resigned straight after, who would give the letter of extension to the EU?

I'm sure the Benn act would have it covered but just wondering why Boris keeps saying we will definitely leave!!

[animallittle3]

If parliament voted against the deal tomorrow and Boris resigned straight after, who would give the letter of extension to the EU?

I'm sure the Benn act would have it covered but just wondering why Boris keeps saying we will definitely leave!!

If only that was all there was to it tomorrow Shark , those who make the rules up as they go along clearly aren't done yet .


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...deal-is-passed

[ragingpup]

Raging I don't get concerned when people allow themselves to be manipulated and down trodden .

Why should I ?

I'm the bloke who confronted management while others stood behind me with a tenth of what they were going to do until they had the opportunity to do it .

I firmly believe and I always have that solidarity can overcome anything a government or a business inflicts on it's people or workers .

I find the selling out to the likes of the EU lets say disappointing when the truth is that the working class have always had the means to overcome anything anybody ever threw at them .

I'm at an age when I've let go and thought you know what , sit on your @sses and get fecked over then .

The Labour Party could help of course by hmm actually winning a GE instead of losing votes by the thousands every week .

Voting it down tomorrow is of course set to lose them even more but hey ho there's only a GE around the corner .

The electorate are never wrong raging .

The electorate are never wrong? I honestly don't mean to me horrible but do you really mean that? 1933?

I respect what you have done and I've done very similar in standing up as a union member. For me, you look at what powers you have, what you could get and move to improve the conditions for all.

As it stands I am no fan of the EU, as I've said before. But one benefit they do offer is a minimum standard of protections below which members cannot sink. Forget all the other stuff. We're leaving, we can argue for the best deal we can. Why suddenly have we moved to a situation with cutting off minimum protections that could serve workers /consumers/environment that we can use against future governmenta that don't have our best interests at heart? As I keep saying, they don't prevent us improving these standards do they? So I ask again, why would you want to remove them, as has just happened, when negotiating a future trade arrangement? Why would you deliberately choose to remove that when you don't have to? (unless you simply want no deal in which case I kind of get it, but didn't think you wanted that cos wouldn't you still want to them start negotiating with the EU on a new trade agreement from scratch? Is that what you want?

After seeing the last 40 years, I just wish I had your faith that workers would suddenly rise and fight for their rights. Where do you think this is suddenly going to come from? Happy to be pursuaded as there is nothing of love more.

[animallittle3]

The electorate are never wrong? I honestly don't mean to me horrible but do you really mean that? 1933?

I respect what you have done and I've done very similar in standing up as a union member. For me, you look at what powers you have, what you could get and move to improve the conditions for all.

As it stands I am no fan of the EU, as I've said before. But one benefit they do offer is a minimum standard of protections below which members cannot sink. Forget all the other stuff. We're leaving, we can argue for the best deal we can. Why suddenly have we moved to a situation with cutting off minimum protections that could serve workers /consumers/environment that we can use against future governmenta that don't have our best interests at heart? As I keep saying, they don't prevent us improving these standards do they? So I ask again, why would you want to remove them, as has just happened, when negotiating a future trade arrangement? Why would you deliberately choose to remove that when you don't have to? (unless you simply want no deal in which case I kind of get it, but didn't think you wanted that cos wouldn't you still want to them start negotiating with the EU on a new trade agreement from scratch? Is that what you want?

After seeing the last 40 years, I just wish I had your faith that workers would suddenly rise and fight for their rights. Where do you think this is suddenly going to come from? Happy to be pursuaded as there is nothing of love more.

First of all the Nazi Party didn't have enough votes under the German system to have a majority in 1933 , they polled 43% despite a reign of terror and intimidation at the polls .

I don't like the term minimum Raging , it actually boils my blood , minimum equals benchmark in my opinion .

I understand the sentiment but I see it as crumbs and because some authority deems it acceptable that doesn't make it acceptable to me .

The term minimum is the clue , minimum becomes the new standard , not for me I'm afraid .

Blair's minimum wage was good from a sentiment point of view but it also bought acceptance from the lower paid .

Very clever .... except that every Amazon or Sports Direct knew that if the government standard was adhered to then it was acceptable , see where I'm going with this .

In essence your settling for less than you should be able to achieve because some government or European Union rubber stamps it .

I can't make people stand up for themselves , motivation comes from within .

I've stood up and lost , lost badly in 85 but I've also played a part in burying that cow at the Poll Tax demo in 1990 .

Something changed me that day , when you turn up make sure you can win and trust me it wasn't The Mets greatest day , bless em .

Moving on from better days ....and I'll sign off with this .

If the working class sit on their @sses and do nowt and the Labour Party makes it's self so unelectable it barely commands a vote in Barnsley then don't point the finger at the likes of me for whatever the current government want to do .

If 60 people in the ERG command the lives of all this country's working class and get their way then the working class deserve it .

[ragingpup]

Lol. I read it, raging as opposed to relying upon a political party to tell me what it said.

I gave you a link to the May deal earlier in the the thread. Read it.

Can't find it - what post number, I'll have a read.