O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Lullapie]

The US doesn't have such sub judice rules because of the 1st Amendment. But plenty of other countries, including Canada and Australia, have rules restricting reporting and/or discussion in Parliament on live criminal cases.

The problem is that every time something that is not pro-government happens, the government will launch and enquiry, then says that they can't say anything until natural process of the enquiry has been followed, then drag the enquiry out for years until everyone has forgotten about it.

That process has been used heavily in countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand, as well as having a supportive speaker in Parliament.

[maddogslater]

How about this great bastion of democracy giving its citizens the 1st amendment

[TheBlackHorse]

... oh dear Ochpie ... time you did some homework. Herr Sturmer died in the wool commie control freak. Plays by the rule book, his rule book. Our beloved Chancellor never done a proper job in her life, just slimed her way into the BOE from uni. Ask for her job description ... ha ha !

[SinceSept1959]

Starmer went to restore an anti-Nazi memorial. The "former Communist figure" was also a junior minister in Churchill's wartime government.

Neither Starmer nor Reeves are communist. They are barely socialist. They

That's not communism at all The core principle, at least in Marx's imagining, is that each person should receive according to their need, and the means of production should be jointly owned to facilitate that. This doesn't actually work in practice.



The US doesn't have such sub judice rules because of the 1st Amendment. But plenty of other countries, including Canada and Australia, have rules restricting reporting and/or discussion in Parliament on live criminal cases.

Centre Left ? Really ?
As John McEnroe famously said " you cannot be serious ."
I don't think many Canadians would be sorry to see the back of Trudeau either.
Alessandr Solzhenitsyn also made a memorable statement concerning a communist state , law breakers being free and political opponents being imprisoned .
Our dear leader also allegedly championed "The Free Press " recently, as the lifeblood of democracy.
Fake news , non reported events and censored comments being the norm these days ?
Make of it what you will.

[Lullapie]

Centre Left ? Really ?
As John McEnroe famously said " you cannot be serious ."
I don't think many Canadians would be sorry to see the back of Trudeau either.
Alessandr Solzhenitsyn also made a memorable statement concerning a communist state , law breakers being free and political opponents being imprisoned .
Our dear leader also allegedly championed "The Free Press " recently, as the lifeblood of democracy.
Fake news , non reported events and censored comments being the norm these days ?
Make of it what you will.

From what I see, I don't think Starmer is extreme left. On this one point only, Och Pie, is nearer the truth in my opinion.

I see Starmer as an old school Labour leader - wealthy through his own endeavours and happy to tell everyone (except himself) to tighten their belts.

He appears to be an intelligent bloke, but has a load of nutters underneath him. Once they have their snouts well and truly embedded in the trough of the public purse, they'll look to overthrow him.

I believe he's about as much a socialist as me - to me, he's more like an opportunist, who wouldn't have got anywhere in the Tories, but able to outsmart many of those currently in Labour, who don't have a modicum of common sense.

[OchPie]

... oh dear Ochpie ... time you did some homework. Herr Sturmer died in the wool commie control freak. Plays by the rule book, his rule book. Our beloved Chancellor never done a proper job in her life, just slimed her way into the BOE from uni.

I tend to do homework by reading, not imagining things... Starmer has a paternalistic streak (or an autocratic streak if you prefer), as many across the political spectrum do, but that's hardly communist. Does he want to nationalise the means of production? No. He's a capitalist-with-controls social democrat.

She worked with the structural economic analysis division at BOE before moving to HBOS. Not sure what you mean by "proper job", but if you are saying nobody who works for a retail bank has one, quite a few of my friends will take offence.

And wow, organisation has graduate scheme. How crazy. As someone who also joined a graduate scheme (not at BoE) I really don't know what you are on about.

Centre Left ? Really ?
As John McEnroe famously said " you cannot be serious ."

Completely serious. It's a struggle even to call him a socialist. He's miles away from being a communist.

[SinceSept1959]

I tend to do homework by reading, not imagining things... Starmer has a paternalistic streak (or an autocratic streak if you prefer), as many across the political spectrum do, but that's hardly communist. Does he want to nationalise the means of production? No. He's a capitalist-with-controls social democrat.

She worked with the structural economic analysis division at BOE before moving to HBOS. Not sure what you mean by "proper job", but if you are saying nobody who works for a retail bank has one, quite a few of my friends will take offence.

And wow, organisation has graduate scheme. How crazy. As someone who also joined a graduate scheme (not at BoE) I really don't know what you are on about.



Completely serious. It's a struggle even to call him a socialist. He's miles away from being a communist.

Some would say he's certainly a champagne socialist , son of a toolmaker and addicted to freebies ?

As for Rachel , it doesn't say much for her training. She ,allegedly , needed help to fill in her Tax Return and had her Parliamentary CC suspended for exceeding the limit and forgot to pay off the arrears. Doesn't inspire confidence when managing the economy ?
It is also reported that the Shadow Chancellor had briefings from the OBR and BOE prior to the last GE . From those meetings, any "black hole " deficits would have been revealed prior to the election, casting doubts on " the fully costed " finances for the acclaimed policy agendas.
With their trips to the Swiss Alps and an admitted liking for the policies of wealthy entitled folks, it might be logical to assume where their preferred allegiances are focused?

[Med Pie]

Meanwhile, Tommy Robinson, whatever you think of him, continues to be victimised by the Government. He's now been moved from Belmarsh to Woodhill where, without cause, he's in the punishment block with no exercise, open visits or association and where he has a history of being attacked by Muslims.

The government is setting him up to get murdered in prison by one of the Muslim gangs who are said to 'run' many UK prisons.

[keldsyke]

Meanwhile, Tommy Robinson, whatever you think of him, continues to be victimised by the Government. He's now been moved from Belmarsh to Woodhill where, without cause, he's in the punishment block with no exercise, open visits or association and where he has a history of being attacked by Muslims.

The government is setting him up to get murdered in prison by one of the Muslim gangs who are said to 'run' many UK prisons.

The circumstances and consequences of this for free speech are extremely worrying for everyone regardless of politics. In essence the government are trying to kill Tommy Robinson in a way that Putin would with his political opponents.

Putting someone in to a High security jail for what was a civil not criminal crime is beyond belief. The fact that the government are also trying to silence talk around certain cases and then ‘call out’ people for crimes they don’t see as correct is also very worrying.

[maddogslater]

The Stasi was responsible for domestic political surveillance, espionage, and crime investigation. The Stasi's motto was "Schild und Schwert der Partei", which translates to "Shield and Sword of the Party".