O/T Democracy

[KerrAvon]

What have they got to lose by not waiting to see what the outcome of the GE might be?

1. A further period of uncertainty about how the issue will resolve.

2. The certainty that continued UK membership will be a running sore in 'The European Project' should a UK Parliament manage to achieve a revocation of Article 50; constant spoiling behaviour by Leave MEPs and constant uncertainty about a further notice of revocation if and when Leavers take control of the UK Parliament in the future.

We have become nuisance neighbours. That is not an acceptable outcome for a committed Federalist like Macron.

[ragingpup]

FAO Animal. This bloke pretty much sums up what I've been clumsily saying about arch neoliberal Brexiteers motives for No Deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-neoliberalism

[Exiletyke]

FAO Animal. This bloke pretty much sums up what I've been clumsily saying about arch neoliberal Brexiteers motives for No Deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-neoliberalism

I hate to assume that anyone else can comment but here goes
I read with interest the article you cited Paragraph 1 immediately gives me cause to think that the author is just engaging in scare tactics viz
At first sight it’s incomprehensible. Why risk everything for a no-deal Brexit? Breaking up their own party, losing their parliamentary majority, dismantling the UK, trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine: how could any objective, for the Conservative and Unionist party, be worth this? What good does it do them?
" trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine" ...........his opinion purporting to be fact
Paragraph 3 says as an opener
"This, I believe, is the key to understanding what is happening today."

the use of the words "I believe" now makes the rest of the article clearer, ie his opinion
Stating his opinion as fact does the rest of the article no favours

[BigLadonOS]

I hate to assume that anyone else can comment but here goes
I read with interest the article you cited Paragraph 1 immediately gives me cause to think that the author is just engaging in scare tactics viz
At first sight it’s incomprehensible. Why risk everything for a no-deal Brexit? Breaking up their own party, losing their parliamentary majority, dismantling the UK, trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine: how could any objective, for the Conservative and Unionist party, be worth this? What good does it do them?
" trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine" ...........his opinion purporting to be fact
Paragraph 3 says as an opener
"This, I believe, is the key to understanding what is happening today."

the use of the words "I believe" now makes the rest of the article clearer, ie his opinion
Stating his opinion as fact does the rest of the article no favours

Funny how great minds think alike Exiletyke, The words "I believe" just goes to show this is yet again a project fear article that has no substance behind it.

[flourbasher]

I hate to assume that anyone else can comment but here goes
I read with interest the article you cited Paragraph 1 immediately gives me cause to think that the author is just engaging in scare tactics viz
At first sight it’s incomprehensible. Why risk everything for a no-deal Brexit? Breaking up their own party, losing their parliamentary majority, dismantling the UK, trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine: how could any objective, for the Conservative and Unionist party, be worth this? What good does it do them?
" trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine" ...........his opinion purporting to be fact
Paragraph 3 says as an opener
"This, I believe, is the key to understanding what is happening today."

the use of the words "I believe" now makes the rest of the article clearer, ie his opinion
Stating his opinion as fact does the rest of the article no favours

Yes that was exactly my conclusion.
Yet another in a long line of scare tactics
A rather desperate article to try and explain why the current plan isn't what the author wants.
He needs to think of something else that's a bit more convincing.

[ragingpup]

I hate to assume that anyone else can comment but here goes
I read with interest the article you cited Paragraph 1 immediately gives me cause to think that the author is just engaging in scare tactics viz
At first sight it’s incomprehensible. Why risk everything for a no-deal Brexit? Breaking up their own party, losing their parliamentary majority, dismantling the UK, trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine: how could any objective, for the Conservative and Unionist party, be worth this? What good does it do them?
" trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine" ...........his opinion purporting to be fact
Paragraph 3 says as an opener
"This, I believe, is the key to understanding what is happening today."

the use of the words "I believe" now makes the rest of the article clearer, ie his opinion
Stating his opinion as fact does the rest of the article no favours

This was for animals attn as we were having interesting discussion, have similar interests on where we'd like to go, and genuinely interested in his thoughts on this article, as it summed up my worries. I know already that you, Exile, Flour would simply dismiss it as Project Fear, as you do with every concern about your favoured outcome, hence it wasn't really directed to you.

However, your welcome to respond of course. I can only say of course it is just his opinion, just as all speculation on what might happen in any Brexit outcome is just opinion. How can it be anything different? Your projections are speculation, your opinion. What else do you think it is? Do you somehow think that your own speculation/opinion is more valid somehow just because your speculation/opinion favours leave?

The writer, and me, may of course be very wrong. But I would be very worried about the real motives behind the very wealthy sponsors pressuring for No Deal for the reasons he gives.

We could give them the benefit of the deal and say that these sponsors simply want to expand into new world trade agreements. Fair enough but this will of course us negotiating and compromising on all kinds of arrangements just as we do with the EU. And as Wanchai points out, those of you who oppose the Globalist nature of neo liberalism have a huge contradiction to answer for here (hi Fire!)

[great_fire]

FAO Animal. This bloke pretty much sums up what I've been clumsily saying about arch neoliberal Brexiteers motives for No Deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-neoliberalism

They've all regular Bilderberg attendees; Ken Clarke, Osborne, Blair, Mandelson.

Millionaires working on behalf of billionaires.

Ultimately they want to abolish democracy altogether.

[WanChaiMiller]

Labour are still all over the place, how can you vote for them when you don't know what you're getting?

Abosolutely. Yet 17m voted Brexit without a plan or a clue what they'd get.

[BigLadonOS]

Abosolutely. Yet 17m voted Brexit without a plan or a clue what they'd get.

So I assume that anyone who voted to remain in your mind know exactly what will happen if we were to remain! Please enlighten me WCM to what will happen if we did stay?

Do not even try to back down on this request because if you do not answer this question it will clearly show that you really have no clue either. WCM you are all mouth as usual.

[Galley On]

Abosolutely. Yet 17m voted Brexit without a plan or a clue what they'd get.

My first comment on this but over 16 million people voted to stay in the EU without truly knowing what they'd get. You do not honestly think that the EU will stay as it is do you? France and Ireland initially voted no to a Federal Europe but hey they had another vote. UK has now done the same and surprise surprise the lardy mardy arsed bad losers want a second referendum.