Maurice Ross Sacked

[magpie_mania]

What?

I am in no way trying to blame him! I don't think it's his fault in the slightest! I think you have entirely misinterpreted my post. To repeat in no way do I think its his fault. not once have I suggested it is Enzios fault or even might be.

Massive apologies! I meant to reply to Pedro - I know you are not blaming Enzio at all.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Massive apologies! I meant to reply to Pedro - I know you are not blaming Enzio at all.

neither was I .so I will accept your apology

[queenslandpie]

Massive apologies! I meant to reply to Pedro - I know you are not blaming Enzio at all.

All good mine is a smooth mix duck

[ForeignLegion]

Comparing, or calling Aussies Kiwis and vice versa, is worse than racism, it's a hanging offence. I don't know if we have thicker skin down here, but Wogs refer to themselves as Wogs, we are not Poms but Pommy barstewrds. We take the pi55 out of ourselves and each other; there is obviously a line you don't cross (family etc) but what was said to Enzio, down here anyway, I don't think would be construed as crossing the line. Then again I live in the redneck area of Oz, but in my experience it would apply everywhere.

[queenslandpie]

Comparing, or calling Aussies Kiwis and vice versa, is worse than racism, it's a hanging offence. I don't know if we have thicker skin down here, but Wogs refer to themselves as Wogs, we are not Poms but Pommy barstewrds. We take the pi55 out of ourselves and each other; there is obviously a line you don't cross (family etc) but what was said to Enzio, down here anyway, I don't think would be construed as crossing the line. Then again I live in the redneck area of Oz, but in my experience it would apply everywhere.

Its changing though Foreign. And here is a great example of context for pedro to consider. As he doesn't seem to understand it. The word POM here is a term of endearment. The context in which it is used is a joking polite mannerism to take the piss out of someone who you actually like from the UK. You wouldn't call an Italian a POM as an Italian is a wog. You would only use it with an Brit. If you are taking the piss out of Enzio as his movement is slow then by all means take the piss out of his slow movement and by all means deascribe him as moving like an old man if you want, but using context to suggest ( even in a mickey taking kind of way) that he might have a doctored African passport as he is black could obviously be construed as racist whether intended or not ( and I don't think it was meant obviously just a clumsy choice of words). The 2 ways in which the words are used are totally different as the context is. Gerrit pedro?

[ForeignLegion]

Its changing though Foreign. And here is a great example of context for pedro to consider. As he doesn't seem to understand it. The word POM here is a term of endearment. The context in which it is used is a joking polite mannerism to take the piss out of someone who you actually like from the UK. You wouldn't call an Italian a POM as an Italian is a wog. You would only use it with an Brit. If you are taking the piss out of Enzio as his movement is slow then by all means take the piss out of his slow movement and by all means deascribe him as moving like an old man if you want, but using context to suggest ( even in a mickey taking kind of way) that he might have a doctored African passport as he is black could obviously be construed as racist whether intended or not ( and I don't think it was meant obviously just a clumsy choice of words). The 2 ways in which the words are used are totally different as the context is. Gerrit pedro?

Yes it probably slowly is changing..that won’t be complete until our generation is gone, and the world is full of those that aren’t sure whether they identify as male, female or toaster. By the way, the male toilets in the hospital up here are now required to have female sanitary bins in them, so nobody can accuse us of not moving with the times. Off to Bunnings to get some supa glue.

[queenslandpie]

Yes it probably slowly is changing..that won’t be complete until our generation is gone, and the world is full of those that aren’t sure whether they identify as male, female or toaster. By the way, the male toilets in the hospital up here are now required to have female sanitary bins in them, so nobody can accuse us of not moving with the times. Off to Bunnings to get some supa glue.

Don't you use Tarzan glue Foreign? Its much cheaper and still in Bunnings me 'owd.

[queenslandpie]

Yes it probably slowly is changing..that won’t be complete until our generation is gone, and the world is full of those that aren’t sure whether they identify as male, female or toaster. By the way, the male toilets in the hospital up here are now required to have female sanitary bins in them, so nobody can accuse us of not moving with the times. Off to Bunnings to get some supa glue.

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[irishpete]

Yes it probably slowly is changing..that won’t be complete until our generation is gone, and the world is full of those that aren’t sure whether they identify as male, female or toaster. By the way, the male toilets in the hospital up here are now required to have female sanitary bins in them, so nobody can accuse us of not moving with the times. Off to Bunnings to get some supa glue.

The Disabled toilets at the local College here have a Male, Female & Transgender sign on them

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Its changing though Foreign. And here is a great example of context for pedro to consider. As he doesn't seem to understand it. The word POM here is a term of endearment. The context in which it is used is a joking polite mannerism to take the piss out of someone who you actually like from the UK. You wouldn't call an Italian a POM as an Italian is a wog. You would only use it with an Brit. If you are taking the piss out of Enzio as his movement is slow then by all means take the piss out of his slow movement and by all means deascribe him as moving like an old man if you want, but using context to suggest ( even in a mickey taking kind of way) that he might have a doctored African passport as he is black could obviously be construed as racist whether intended or not ( and I don't think it was meant obviously just a clumsy choice of words). The 2 ways in which the words are used are totally different as the context is. Gerrit pedro?

He didn't suggest he has a doctored passport because he is black ?
He suggested his mobility and birth age didn't tally with the movement he was displaying on the pitch, he then likened his age and movement to that of Africans with a false passport and false ages simply because it is a recognisable analogy that most people know about and can relate to as it was headline news.
That's probably why Julian Jenner wasn't used as an example as someone eluded to earlier because no one would know what he was on about i doubt if ross even knows who he was.
Age and lack of mobility were the primary factor ,like i said before, , "if it would have been ok if captain Tom was used as an example would it be ok and the answer was no it wouldn't because Captain Tom isn't black and is out of context as well as saying it would be having a pop at people that are immobile,
who would figure , you mention black or white coffee its deemed as inappropriate you mention captain tom and its unfair on those with mobility issues, its a minefield out there the world as gone crazy..
The upshot is Enzio felt offended and I'm not disagreeing with that i cant tell anyone how to feel about a remark made against them., I'm sure he's been called far worse but I'm disappointed that they couldn't sit around a table discuss it (or nut him) point out the dangers and get back out training and perhaps work and coach Enzio's movement and runs around the pitch. Really disappointed as there is a great player in there waiting to get out.
I'm disappointed that Enzio seemed to be more focused on what was deemed to be racist comment rather than get on the pitch and try and improve his game , simply because if it was me that's what i would have chose to do. But I've been called far worse than that in my lifetime , in life at work and on a football pitch.
I'm also disappointed that Ross made such a poor way to critique his player but like QP says it could have been meant as a joking polite loving critism but taken out of context.?
as the great Greek one once said , who loves you baby !x
p.s i could be wrong and IB and Enzio might well have been out on the training ground working on run patterns and timings so fingers crossed we will see a new and improved attacking performance from him at the weekend. Like i say i actually rate him as a player and believe there is so much more potential in there to burst out , especially if he's not used as a defensive midfielder or right wing back !