Derek McInnes

[curvasud]

Willie Miller finished second in everything to arguably the best hun team in living memory. I don’t remember him quite having the pom poms out like you have. Do you think he looks back on that season as a success or failure?

Mark McGhee got just about everything wrong at Aberdeen but he was spot on about a number of folk in the NE. Drainers.

Your weegie bitterness towards Aberdeen is delightful.

[ZakkTheMakk]

Answer for everything eh? You just can't accept that there were many moments upon reflection that could've been improved upon can you?

We must be the only team in world football that has had to contend with new players at the start of the season eh?

Oh wait McInnes had been in charge since March 2013 so surely it was his doing that we were in that position in the first place?

And to have such reliance on one player so early on in the season speaks volumes of his recruitment?

Yes 73% that season so just imagine if we had done better in those early games or not had silly defeats like the Hamilton or Ross County ones, we might even have got close to..... drum roll..... 80% which earlier on in the chat seemed wildly optimistic

[curvasud]

Answer for everything eh? You just can't accept that there were many moments upon reflection that could've been improved upon can you?

We must be the only team in world football that has had to contend with new players at the start of the season eh?

Oh wait McInnes had been in charge since March 2013 so surely it was his doing that we were in that position in the first place?

And to have such reliance on one player so early on in the season speaks volumes of his recruitment?

Yes 73% that season so just imagine if we had done better in those early games or not had silly defeats like the Hamilton or Ross County ones, we might even have got close to..... drum roll..... 80% which earlier on in the chat seemed wildly optimistic

Individually those games could be won. There's a reason that no team wins every game, even Man City, which you're struggling to understand or accept.

If we'd won those other games you're talking about it would have been like 16 game winning streaks and the manager would 100% be poached immediately. Ours was making headlines after 8 and was of course offered the Sunderland job.

[ZakkTheMakk]

Individually those games could be won. There's a reason that no team wins every game, even Man City, which you're struggling to understand or accept.

If we'd won those other games you're talking about it would have been like 16 game winning streaks and the manager would 100% be poached immediately. Ours was making headlines after 8 and was of course offered the Sunderland job.

I'm not saying win every game, remember I did say 80% of the games, I do wish you'd keep up!!

9/10 the games outwith the farm then Aberdeen should be favourites, that's not to say we'll win 9/10 but we should at least play like we ARE the favourites and stop playing negatively/defensively whatever you want to call it. Impose ourselves on those 9/10 games and you'll come closer to 3 points each time which in turn breeds more confidence.

You keep talking like having a manager poached is a bad thing, surely any team worth their salt wants a manager that's going to be coveted otherwise they're not doing too well. The more teams that come in for McInnes then the better he's doing and the better Aberdeen Football Club is doing.

You tell me, why does no other team outwith hun connected ones fancy McInnes as their manager? If he's done such a great job and overperformed as you put it then why has there never been credible links to any other teams??

Could it be that they possibly see what we all see, that he has, as every manager does, a glass ceiling and he reached his a few years back?

[curvasud]

I'm not saying win every game, remember I did say 80% of the games, I do wish you'd keep up!!

9/10 the games outwith the farm then Aberdeen should be favourites, that's not to say we'll win 9/10 but we should at least play like we ARE the favourites and stop playing negatively/defensively whatever you want to call it. Impose ourselves on those 9/10 games and you'll come closer to 3 points each time which in turn breeds more confidence.

You keep talking like having a manager poached is a bad thing, surely any team worth their salt wants a manager that's going to be coveted otherwise they're not doing too well. The more teams that come in for McInnes then the better he's doing and the better Aberdeen Football Club is doing.

You tell me, why does no other team outwith hun connected ones fancy McInnes as their manager? If he's done such a great job and overperformed as you put it then why has there never been credible links to any other teams??

Could it be that they possibly see what we all see, that he has, as every manager does, a glass ceiling and he reached his a few years back?

Do you seriously think no other team has wanted him or enquired? I'd assume most teams who'd be interested in him, failing Championship teams or top of League 1, saw him turn down Sunderland and then Rangers and are not going to embarrass themselves publicly going after him, (perhaps rightly) don't think they can get him. He wanted job stability and time to build, in a club big and stable enough. I'd assume he's been on many shortlists and a couple of enquiries when you see all the duffers that have been employed over the years, and many lower end Championship clubs would have him ahead of theirs but they're too sh!t and small.

He's no doubt reached a certain point tactically and is not on the way up any more, but he can get results, identify good players, offers stability and consistency and runs a club very well. It would be interesting to see what he could do with far more resources at a club that could afford as much or more than promotion rivals.

[Basingstokered]

Yeah teams have made enqs for derek that have remained secret from the press and everyone else, probably the same teams that have made these bids for considine that some of here believe would have been made.

[Dons_Syndrome]

Hats off to you, curvasud, for flying in the face of seemingly popular opinion. It's good to see someone going against the grain, otherwise the tedious repetition of those who hog the board makes it virtually unreadable for someone like myself.

Me, I feel no need to shout my opinions from the rooftops but I do find it refreshing that curvasud has bucked the latest trend, and rather than being abused from all quarters the lad/lass should be acknowledged, at the very least, for putting his opinion across in such a forthright manner. The poster, lone wolf though he may be, merits support from somewhere.

Extreme opinions hold no interest for me, and I would suggest, as usual, that the truth lies somewhere between what curvasud says and what his numerous detractors proclaim. But, y'know, who cares what I think? I certainly don't give a fiddler's f uck who does. There's decent arguments on both sides, but please keep up your end curvasud... if you don't I'll more than likely stop visiting this board because it's pretty unreadable (mcwinless/mchun/mcarse/mcwhatever.

Just as an aside, don't some of you get completely bored by typing that same old, same old, don't you fancy coming up with something a bit more valid, that your imagination can churn up rather than milne/hun/mcwinless/hun/****e/*******s? Is life really that bad? I'm happy to make an exception for moog, chiefly because he mounts a credible critique, but many of the rest of you (aldo, red john, even pac FFS, take a look at yourselves) are just mind numbingly boring, and I suspect you know it yourselves.

Pant pishers/happy clappers/top reds.... jesus christ, it's just like the playground when the so-called top dogs create derogatory names for those who hold different opinions to their own. It's pathetic. Moreover, I'd say that because he does go to loads of games and many of you others revel in the fact that you don't, quite justifiably gives him a massive headstart on you, yet even then he gets slammed as a 'top red' or whatever. The board is as tedious as the team this season. Yawn.

[curvasud]

Just as an aside, don't some of you get completely bored by typing that same old, same old, don't you fancy coming up with something a bit more valid, that your imagination can churn up rather than milne/hun/mcwinless/hun/****e/*******s? Is life really that bad? I'm happy to make an exception for moog, chiefly because he mounts a credible critique, but many of the rest of you (aldo, red john, even pac FFS, take a look at yourselves) are just mind numbingly boring, and I suspect you know it yourselves.

Pant pishers/happy clappers/top reds.... jesus christ, it's just like the playground when the so-called top dogs create derogatory names for those who hold different opinions to their own. It's pathetic. Moreover, I'd say that because he does go to loads of games and many of you others revel in the fact that you don't, quite justifiably gives him a massive headstart on you, yet even then he gets slammed as a 'top red' or whatever. The board is as tedious as the team this season. Yawn.

I'm not vehemently in favour of him staying and have seen everything there is to see about him. This place is just a cesspit as described above. About 10 people reassuring each other every day and after every game that they all still obsessively hate McInnes no matter the score or performance. I only commented upon seeing the reaction to the Rangers game when I was checking to see if there was any credit at all. Of course there wasn't. Only losers celebrate draws etc.

[ZakkTheMakk]

I'm more than happy to concede that McInnes did improve us to begin with, I'm fully aware of the mess he inherited and what he did in the short term to transform our fortunes but there doesn't appear to have been any long term strategy with regards youth integration, signing policy, tactical set up etc and this is a major concern going forward.

We can't however at this juncture just accept that things will get better with him in charge, many things have landed on his lap that previous managers never had the luxury of and yet we're no better a footballing side either results wise or entertainment wise.

Long hard questions need to be asked of him from his new gaffers as attendances will continue to slide with the eye bleeding football on show. I said at the start of the league season that we would take 0 points from our games against the old farm, this I concede I was wrong with but I still don't believe we will accrue a win against either of them. I also stated that we would have very poor cup runs this year and so far I'm correct.

A change for change sake is obviously not the solution but with Hibs progressing under Ross, Hearts getting in a new manager, Motherwell currently sitting above us then come the split our 3rd/4th place Euro destiny could already be out of our hands and coupled with an early Scottish Cup exit then decisions will need to be made.

I think this is every bit as rational as curvasuds responses albeit on the other side of the fence.

[afc1903mad]

there doesn't appear to have been any long term strategy with regards youth integration

This is a tough one, changing an approach with the youth teams take a long time to bear the fruits.
Its not a magic button to switch and suddenly improve the throughput.
That said, there's plenty of evidence that shows McInness is reluctant to put in "homegrown" youths on a regular basis and maybe needs to have more confidence that the lads can deliver.