Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

The big question is does RA have a really big lawn, or does he use scissors? ��

Lol…slightly bigger than Chatsworth if you listen to Tricky.

[SithHappens]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

It might be lower now had they not stopped processing applications.

Amazing too how the tories seem to know all the answers to solving it despite having done nothing for years before last year.

[Andy_Faber]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

It might be lower now had they not stopped processing applications.

Amazing too how the tories seem to know all the answers to solving it despite having done nothing for years before last year.

Coverage: because the news outlets need something to fall back on to fill their timeslots/pages and justify their existence

Increase since the Tories: I think the change in administration is just coincidental, 'the people' have just had enough of failed promises/initiatives and what they see as over-sympathetic treatment over the years. NB I wouldn't describe the Tories as hving been in control of anything in particular, hence Labour's chance

I'll beg to differ about 'answers', no-one knows the answer/answers, 'smashing the gangs' is just a silly catchphrase. I have a friend from Zanki in Iraq who describes this as a 'many-headed snake', chop one head off and another rises.

[swaledale]

Coverage: because the news outlets need something to fall back on to fill their timeslots/pages and justify their existence

Increase since the Tories: I think the change in administration is just coincidental, 'the people' have just had enough of failed promises/initiatives and what they see as over-sympathetic treatment over the years. NB I wouldn't describe the Tories as hving been in control of anything in particular, hence Labour's chance

I'll beg to differ about 'answers', no-one knows the answer/answers, 'smashing the gangs' is just a silly catchphrase. I have a friend from Zanki in Iraq who describes this as a 'many-headed snake', chop one head off and another rises.

I wouldn't disagree with you on "smash the gangs", rather like the "war on drugs" it will achieve very little. However thats no reason not to disrupt these gangs and take effective action.

Some answers are available, make a safe route available for people to claim asylum outside the UK, thats a major reason for the boats. Return to the agreement on returns we had with France and the EU, Labour is taking steps towards this, but Brexit meant we lost the automatic right to return those who could legitimately have claimed asylum in another Eu country. I.e.e those without family connections to the UK.

Clamp down on illegal working in the UK whether it be asylum seekers or illegal migrants trafficked in to do jobs, this would remove an incentive.

Process asylum claims quickly and deport those whose claims failed quickly, again Labour is making efforts to do this, funnily enough without the hoo ha over last minute legal challenges, which were mostly performative events staged by the Tory government.

Of course real effective action takes time and tends to be unseen, but its the only way forward. If people are foolish enough to swallow the crap being pumped out by Farage, well, like those in Trump's America, they will regret it.

[Andy_Faber]

I wouldn't disagree with you on "smash the gangs", rather like the "war on drugs" it will achieve very little. However thats no reason not to disrupt these gangs and take effective action.

Some answers are available, make a safe route available for people to claim asylum outside the UK, thats a major reason for the boats. Return to the agreement on returns we had with France and the EU, Labour is taking steps towards this, but Brexit meant we lost the automatic right to return those who could legitimately have claimed asylum in another Eu country. I.e.e those without family connections to the UK.

Clamp down on illegal working in the UK whether it be asylum seekers or illegal migrants trafficked in to do jobs, this would remove an incentive.

Process asylum claims quickly and deport those whose claims failed quickly, again Labour is making efforts to do this, funnily enough without the hoo ha over last minute legal challenges, which were mostly performative events staged by the Tory government.

Of course real effective action takes time and tends to be unseen, but its the only way forward. If people are foolish enough to swallow the crap being pumped out by Farage, well, like those in Trump's America, they will regret it.

I agree with some of that, with the provisos that there's a cap, and (much more difficult) that incomers 'integrate', regretably most appear to have little desire to, and there's no push by local or central govt to do so either (maybe I'm missing something)

I don't even have an issue with low skilled people coming in if there's a job (at the same pay rate as the indigenous population to avoid slavery) for them. Maybe we could do a one for one swap with France and give them some of our indigenous lazybones in exchange for incoming low-skilled workers? Idon't think that ones especially racist by the way...

[ramAnag]

What i don't get is why have 'hotels' and small boats only become a major issue in the past 12 months?

By major issue i mean the coverage and protests. Not saying it never got mentioned but it never created the same amount of noise and division while the tories where in charge. The number housed peaked at a significantly higher amount under them than there is today.

An unhealthy and symbiotic combination of political opportunism and our annual national outbreak of moronic tribal thuggery, I suspect Sith.

[SithHappens]

Rumours on X that Trump died earlier this week.

I'm quite sure there is no truth in them mind.

[Andy_Faber]

Rumours on X that Trump died earlier this week.

I'm quite sure there is no truth in them mind.

False alarm, he just forgot his TruthSocial password

[SithHappens]

I'm aware that many give Halal options. And I'm guessing the amount of options may differ depending on the community they are being sold in.

I dont know which companies are exclusively halal (that wouldn't have been previously). Have done a Google and can't lay my hands on the information.

I did read that the majority of animals used for halal food are humanely stunned first, but I'm no expert on animal slaughter so would not get into an argument about it.

I would guess the only true way to eat a diet which is cruelty free is go vegetarian or even vegan.

[Andy_Faber]

I'm aware that many give Halal options. And I'm guessing the amount of options may differ depending on the community they are being sold in.

I dont know which companies are exclusively halal (that wouldn't have been previously). Have done a Google and can't lay my hands on the information.

I did read that the majority of animals used for halal food are humanely stunned first, but I'm no expert on animal slaughter so would not get into an argument about it.

I would guess the only true way to eat a diet which is cruelty free is go vegetarian or even vegan.

I see Tricky?s point about creeping Islamisation but wrt halal or not, it?s all about killing a living thing, I?m not vegetarian but I think about that whenever I eat meat. One for another thread I guess