OT: Old Mrs. May's fudge shoppe

[BigFatPie]

There is still some support for the idea that we owed nothing and that it would be open to a legal challenge, the money was only offered to move things forward..

The idea of a government launching a legal challenge to an agreement they negotiated themselves is a fascinating one. To what court would they launch this challenge?

[Airborn Pie]

The idea of a government launching a legal challenge to an agreement they negotiated themselves is a fascinating one. To what court would they launch this challenge?

The idea we owe them anything at all is one that could be challenged should an no deal scenario arrive. Nothing is set in stone yet, I'll quote Barnier again for you shall I, you seem to have missed or conveniently ignored it last time, 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.

Do you think a no deal scenario would occur and we just stump up the cash, this is exactly what DR has said won't happen, it's common sense.

Barnier and his pals, thought they were being clever when they dicatated the order of business, thinking that they'd get what they wanted first and that we'd just cave in on the rest, hasn't happened yet has it and they're panicking a bit.

[BigFatPie]

The idea we owe them anything at all is one that could be challenged should an no deal scenario arrive. Nothing is set in stone yet, I'll quote Barnier again for you shall I, you seem to have missed or conveniently ignored it last time, 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.

I’m no legal expert, but quoting what a person has said isn’t a basis for challenging something you’ve agreed to yourself. In writing.

Again, in what court would this legal challenge be issued?

[Airborn Pie]

I’m no legal expert, but quoting what a person has said isn’t a basis for challenging something you’ve agreed to yourself. In writing.

Again, in what court would this legal challenge be issued?

You're good at posing Q's of others, go and do some reading.

If no deal is reached, then nothing that has so far been 'agreed' will be enforceable, the whole thing will fall apart.

Re court jurisdictaion, there is arguably no court that has any, internationally, but it is the EU that would bring action, not the UK.

[Notsohumblepie]

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.

All we have so far are a number of heads of terms for consideration .

As both the UK, and EU parliaments have to agree , any contract, if one existed, would have to incorporate that caveat .

There's no offer, and no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

[Airborn Pie]

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.

All we have so far are a number of heads of terms for consideration .

As both the UK, and EU parliaments have to agree , any contract, if one existed, would have to incorporate that caveat .

There's no offer, and no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

It is interesting though, which court would the EU use, to pursue us for our perceived obligation to pay the £39bill, which court if any, has jurisdiction?

[Mapperleypie]

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.

All we have so far are a number of heads of terms for consideration .

As both the UK, and EU parliaments have to agree , any contract, if one existed, would have to incorporate that caveat .

There's no offer, and no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

Say's whom?

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' is simply a government soundbite to appease. The same as 'brexit means brexit', 'strong and stable leadership in the national interest' & 'I will not be calling a snap election' they are just meaningless platitudes.

Imagine falling out of the EU with no deal, having no trade deal with any other country around the world other than WTO rules and needing to negotiate new deals with individual countries whilst simultaneously being taken to court by our largest trading partner, do you think we would be considered reliable partners on the world stage or a mere laughing stock?

Still nothing to worry about since we hold all the cards.

[Elite_Pie]

Say's whom?

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' is simply a government soundbite to appease. The same as 'brexit means brexit', 'strong and stable leadership in the national interest' & 'I will not be calling a snap election' they are just meaningless platitudes.

Imagine falling out of the EU with no deal, having no trade deal with any other country around the world other than WTO rules and needing to negotiate new deals with individual countries whilst simultaneously being taken to court by our largest trading partner, do you think we would be considered reliable partners on the world stage or a mere laughing stock?

Still nothing to worry about since we hold all the cards.

That's why the "F*ck 'em" viewpoint of the likes of seriouspie is so stupid, even though he claims it's the way 'Proper Englishmen' think! The EU is a very powerful organisation, and one we need to co-operate with. That's why we'll end up with a Half-Brexit.

[BigFatPie]

Say's whom?

'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' is simply a government soundbite to appease. The same as 'brexit means brexit', 'strong and stable leadership in the national interest' & 'I will not be calling a snap election' they are just meaningless platitudes.

Imagine falling out of the EU with no deal, having no trade deal with any other country around the world other than WTO rules and needing to negotiate new deals with individual countries whilst simultaneously being taken to court by our largest trading partner, do you think we would be considered reliable partners on the world stage or a mere laughing stock?

Still nothing to worry about since we hold all the cards.

Yep, apparently May and her world class team of negotiators are going to get us a WORLD TRADE DEAL. Vlad and Seriouspie will be mightily impressed by this and insist it would be what they would do if they were in charge.

[Airborn Pie]

Yep, apparently May and her world class team of negotiators are going to get us a WORLD TRADE DEAL. Vlad and Seriouspie will be mightily impressed by this and insist it would be what they would do if they were in charge.

Are you that dumb or are you just emboldened cos your pal's here to have you back.

You never actually say anything, it's just a succession of meaningless posts and inane one liners.