O/T Democracy

[flourbasher]

Abosolutely. Yet 17m voted Brexit without a plan or a clue what they'd get.

This is the same with the misguided people insisting on a 'deal''
The details of any deal will not be finalised (by the EU telling the UK what they can have) until the end of the transition period.
This is a huge ongoing risk to the UK from the untrustworthy, selfish and undemocratic EU

So those that think a deal is the salvation should brace themselves for a lot of disappointment and reflection on how they've been let down...again.

[great_fire]

Apparently these posh Tories like Sir Oliver Letwin, who've never thought the plebs should be allowed to vote, are "democrats".

You can tell that Blair and Mandelson are advising the Remainers behind the scenes because of all the double-speak.

[great_fire]

I wonder why Monbiot fails to mention that the EU and their supporters are neoliberal?

[WanChaiMiller]

I wonder why Monbiot fails to mention that the EU and their supporters are neoliberal?

Exactly GF. Which is why I think anyone who actually bothers to read it need to open their mind to its content and not what the 2 great minds have done to dismiss it as anti EU.

Thatcher was a neoliberal who created the Single European Act (that laid the foundation for the Single Market) to achieve that very end. There are parts of the leave campaign (ERG and, I fear, those led by Johnson) who who want us to leave to further their neoliberal ambition.

[great_fire]

Exactly GF. Which is why I think anyone who actually bothers to read it need to open their mind to its content and not what the 2 great minds have done to dismiss it as anti EU.

Thatcher was a neoliberal who created the Single European Act (that laid the foundation for the Single Market) to achieve that very end. There are parts of the leave campaign (ERG and, I fear, those led by Johnson) who who want us to leave to further their neoliberal ambition.

The weird thing is, he does say that Blair is neoliberal but then fails to mention his support for the EU or the fact that he's currently advising the Remain campaign.

But why would you need to leave the neoliberal EU to further your neoliberal ambition? You're as confused as he is.

[BigLadonOS]

Exactly GF. Which is why I think anyone who actually bothers to read it need to open their mind to its content and not what the 2 great minds have done to dismiss it as anti EU.

Thatcher was a neoliberal who created the Single European Act (that laid the foundation for the Single Market) to achieve that very end. There are parts of the leave campaign (ERG and, I fear, those led by Johnson) who who want us to leave to further their neoliberal ambition.

Why the **** would a neoliberal want to put vast amounts of money in to the NHS? Sometimes I wonder how your mind works!

I see that you have totally ignored My question to you on the last page but no worries because I did not expect you to answer something you have no clue about but yet you like to spout your mouth off! You are nothing but an attention seeker trying to make yourself look smarter than you actually are. Fake intelligence eh mate.

[WanChaiMiller]

The weird thing is, he does say that Blair is neoliberal but then fails to mention his support for the EU or the fact that he's currently advising the Remain campaign.

But why would you need to leave the neoliberal EU to further your neoliberal ambition? You're as confused as he is.

Thatcher too is a neoliberal and ath architect of the Single Market, as is much of the Leave campaign group. Not sure what Brexiteer expect after we leave.

[WanChaiMiller]

The weird thing is, he does say that Blair is neoliberal but then fails to mention his support for the EU or the fact that he's currently advising the Remain campaign.

But why would you need to leave the neoliberal EU to further your neoliberal ambition? You're as confused as he is.

Isnt the whole idea of Brexit that we are free to trade globally?

[great_fire]

Isnt the whole idea of Brexit that we are free to trade globally?

Why would neoliberals want to leave the neoliberal EU though?

[WanChaiMiller]

Why would neoliberals want to leave the neoliberal EU though?

My answer is to further their neoliberal ambition. Brexiteers say that by leaving the EU we can strike free trade agreements with countries worldwide. Johnson and his cronies want to turn areas of the UK into Dubai style free trade ports. Rees Moggs ERG would like to deregulate our employment law and work practices to make the UK more attractive for trade. They say membership of the EU prohibits us from making these trade deals and changes.

However, you dont seem to accept this as an answer. So, maybe, you need to aim that question at a Brexiteer.