Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[islaydarkblue]

I'll always remember that time I agreed with one of your posts as looks like it'll be the one and only. Furlough has absolutely nothing to do with the Scottish government, it is direct from UK to individual businesses. And election bribes are fairly common, so why not spend some of that additional income tax revenue on the NHS staff to make them look good. Are you against the pay rise?

Everyone working in the NHS throughout the whole of the UK should get the same pay rise.
The furlough money is sent to Scotland based on the Barnett Formula. Today it has been reported that only one third of self employed driving instructors, mobile hairdressers and tattoo artists in Scotland have received their £4,000 grant that they were entitled to receive from the Scottish Government under the laid down rules of the furlough scheme. It was reported on BBC Reporting Scotland that people had applied for their grant but their application was rejected. I would not be surprised if Nippy has used that money to give the 4% pay rise to the nurses etc in NHS Scotland.
She certainly seemed to be able to magic up the money from somewhere unless of course it was from the SNP magic money tree.

[Taintedice]

Everyone working in the NHS throughout the whole of the UK should get the same pay rise.
The furlough money is sent to Scotland based on the Barnett Formula. Today it has been reported that only one third of self employed driving instructors, mobile hairdressers and tattoo artists in Scotland have received their £4,000 grant that they were entitled to receive from the Scottish Government under the laid down rules of the furlough scheme. It was reported on BBC Reporting Scotland that people had applied for their grant but their application was rejected. I would not be surprised if Nippy has used that money to give the 4% pay rise to the nurses etc in NHS Scotland.
She certainly seemed to be able to magic up the money from somewhere unless of course it was from the SNP magic money tree.

As you will know, the NHS in Scotland has nothing to do with the NHS in England, it is not 'devolved'. If the tory government want to match the pay rise in Scotland, then that is very easy for them to do. They found £22bn for failed Track and Trace and even though it was a complete failure, that sum is rising to £37bn. That is an astronomical sum of money, the human brain cannot even compute how much money that is, you needs computers to work it out.

Think you're mixed up about furlough, this as far as I understand relates to workers on PAYE, not those who are self-employed. Self-employed have been neglected in the UK due to the rules adopted by the UK govt last March. There are 3m people excluded from support, they don't all live in Scotland. If all you listen to is the BBC then it's no surprise you think everything is negative.

[eric_sinclair]

4% pay rise on the table for Scottish NHS workers, wonder if they'll accept

Hopefully this will force the tories to offer workers in England something approaching reasonable.

Hopefully bojo and the gang backtrack again like they did with the free school meals.Good news and well deserved.

[Taintedice]

I didn't say he wouldn't take the same approach, I'm saying the right-wing press and the tories would have had far different reactions than what we're seeing now. £37bn is disappearing into the failed Track & Trace in England and the Mail/Express/Sun say nothing about it. You can't really believe that wouldn't be front page news if labour were spending sums like that on pretty much nothing. It's open corruption.

[BCram]

I think track and trace failed because the public were warned off it by civil liberty groups.The principle of Big Brother knowing where you are and holding that information without, as I understand it, a clear explanation as to who would be able to access the information is so alien to the British nature that, in this instance I did not sign up for track and trace.

[grantzer]

I think track and trace failed because the public were warned off it by civil liberty groups.The principle of Big Brother knowing where you are and holding that information without, as I understand it, a clear explanation as to who would be able to access the information is so alien to the British nature that, in this instance I did not sign up for track and trace.

And they ignored a ready made app made by tech companies,that they were offered for free,choosing instead to build their own app,which didn't work,costing around 27 billion I believe,and that figure is rising as they are still currently paying advisors 5 grand a day.

I could have given them an app that didn't work for around a billion......

[BCram]

And they ignored a ready made app made by tech companies,that they were offered for free,choosing instead to build their own app,which didn't work,costing around 27 billion I believe,and that figure is rising as they are still currently paying advisors 5 grand a day.

I could have given them an app that didn't work for around a billion......

Think the free offer was exactly the problem. All the data would belong to the company to use as they saw fit. Ask any UK company involved with this type of technology, I imagine they would be bound to say that they could provide a custom service that the safeguards on data control could be delivered. It didn't work. I think the civil liberty issue is very important and I am disappointed that a British built system did not work. I don't think it was fraudulent but perhaps closer scrutiny of the company commissioned to do the work would show why the project failed. Did Scotland not choose to use a different approach?

[jdfc]

Hopefully bojo and the gang backtrack again like they did with the free school meals.Good news and well deserved.

Great news for nurses, but their wage deal has been put to an independent enquiry, the same people who asses the MP’s wages, it will clearly recommend higher than 1%, so looks like Queen Nic is point scoring, any chance there is an election around the corner.

Eric you seem to be coming a bit obsessed with the independence thing, surely democracy should be at the forefront, we’ve had the vote

[eric_sinclair]

Great news for nurses, but their wage deal has been put to an independent enquiry, the same people who asses the MP’s wages, it will clearly recommend higher than 1%, so looks like Queen Nic is point scoring, any chance there is an election around the corner.

Eric you seem to be coming a bit obsessed with the independence thing, surely democracy should be at the forefront, we’ve had the vote

Of course she is,she would be daft not to and westminster have given her an ideal opportunity to score points.I,m hardly obsessed j,democracy is all fine and well until something changed ie brexit.Nothing wrong with a 2nd vote now we have left europe against the wishes of the majority of scots. If its the same outcome then,i agree,put it to bed.
Brexit could effect my employer just like independance could effect yours,so we vote as we see fit.

[grantzer]

Think the free offer was exactly the problem. All the data would belong to the company to use as they saw fit. Ask any UK company involved with this type of technology, I imagine they would be bound to say that they could provide a custom service that the safeguards on data control could be delivered. It didn't work. I think the civil liberty issue is very important and I am disappointed that a British built system did not work. I don't think it was fraudulent but perhaps closer scrutiny of the company commissioned to do the work would show why the project failed. Did Scotland not choose to use a different approach?

Everyone chose a different approach. The problem you are describing,where people worried about data abuse was pretty central to the argument for using the free system. It collected data in a way that was not centralised, retained a degree of anonymity,and not stored for any real length of time. The system Boris paid his mates for stores info for seven years I believe, and was to be stored without anonymity. The decision was a no brainer, give the contract to pals of the government. They did the same thing with PPE contracts, one company was given a contract for millions,despite having assets of around 15k.