Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[islaydarkblue]

4% pay rise on the table for Scottish NHS workers, wonder if they'll accept

Hopefully this will force the tories to offer workers in England something approaching reasonable.

This is an SNP election bribe. They will be using the furlough money they received from Westminster which up to last weekend has only been handed out to one third of the people and businesses throughout Scotland who were meant to receive it.

[islaydarkblue]

No-one battled an eyelid when Brown bailed out the banks. If it were covid he was dealing with, the right-wing press, the BBC and most especially the tories would be going mental at the sums being borrowed, even though the Bank of England has created it all by pushing a few buttons.

Consequential funding not pushing a few buttons.

[eric_sinclair]

4% pay rise on the table for Scottish NHS workers, wonder if they'll accept

Hopefully this will force the tories to offer workers in England something approaching reasonable.

Hopefully bojo and the gang backtrack again like they did with the free school meals.Good news and well deserved.

[BCram]

I think track and trace failed because the public were warned off it by civil liberty groups.The principle of Big Brother knowing where you are and holding that information without, as I understand it, a clear explanation as to who would be able to access the information is so alien to the British nature that, in this instance I did not sign up for track and trace.

[grantzer]

I think track and trace failed because the public were warned off it by civil liberty groups.The principle of Big Brother knowing where you are and holding that information without, as I understand it, a clear explanation as to who would be able to access the information is so alien to the British nature that, in this instance I did not sign up for track and trace.

And they ignored a ready made app made by tech companies,that they were offered for free,choosing instead to build their own app,which didn't work,costing around 27 billion I believe,and that figure is rising as they are still currently paying advisors 5 grand a day.

I could have given them an app that didn't work for around a billion......

[jdfc]

Hopefully bojo and the gang backtrack again like they did with the free school meals.Good news and well deserved.

Great news for nurses, but their wage deal has been put to an independent enquiry, the same people who asses the MP’s wages, it will clearly recommend higher than 1%, so looks like Queen Nic is point scoring, any chance there is an election around the corner.

Eric you seem to be coming a bit obsessed with the independence thing, surely democracy should be at the forefront, we’ve had the vote

[eric_sinclair]

Great news for nurses, but their wage deal has been put to an independent enquiry, the same people who asses the MP’s wages, it will clearly recommend higher than 1%, so looks like Queen Nic is point scoring, any chance there is an election around the corner.

Eric you seem to be coming a bit obsessed with the independence thing, surely democracy should be at the forefront, we’ve had the vote

Of course she is,she would be daft not to and westminster have given her an ideal opportunity to score points.I,m hardly obsessed j,democracy is all fine and well until something changed ie brexit.Nothing wrong with a 2nd vote now we have left europe against the wishes of the majority of scots. If its the same outcome then,i agree,put it to bed.
Brexit could effect my employer just like independance could effect yours,so we vote as we see fit.

[BCram]

This is an SNP election bribe. They will be using the furlough money they received from Westminster which up to last weekend has only been handed out to one third of the people and businesses throughout Scotland who were meant to receive it.

Islay, I agree that it is a clever tactic, whether it is a bribe remains to be seen. What will the others who work in essential services think? Will they start industrial action , now to try to put pressure on the SNP? I don't think it ihelps the argument by speculating where the money comes from. The statistic which you quote has not appeared to be a major issue for any of the opposition parties. If you are correct I would expect that to be a major issue for both the Conservatives and Labour who will be wanting to attract ordinary working people to their cause. I would imagine that those types of individuals outnumber the specific health workers in the NHS so it might backfire.

[BCram]

And they ignored a ready made app made by tech companies,that they were offered for free,choosing instead to build their own app,which didn't work,costing around 27 billion I believe,and that figure is rising as they are still currently paying advisors 5 grand a day.

I could have given them an app that didn't work for around a billion......

Think the free offer was exactly the problem. All the data would belong to the company to use as they saw fit. Ask any UK company involved with this type of technology, I imagine they would be bound to say that they could provide a custom service that the safeguards on data control could be delivered. It didn't work. I think the civil liberty issue is very important and I am disappointed that a British built system did not work. I don't think it was fraudulent but perhaps closer scrutiny of the company commissioned to do the work would show why the project failed. Did Scotland not choose to use a different approach?

[grantzer]

Think the free offer was exactly the problem. All the data would belong to the company to use as they saw fit. Ask any UK company involved with this type of technology, I imagine they would be bound to say that they could provide a custom service that the safeguards on data control could be delivered. It didn't work. I think the civil liberty issue is very important and I am disappointed that a British built system did not work. I don't think it was fraudulent but perhaps closer scrutiny of the company commissioned to do the work would show why the project failed. Did Scotland not choose to use a different approach?

Everyone chose a different approach. The problem you are describing,where people worried about data abuse was pretty central to the argument for using the free system. It collected data in a way that was not centralised, retained a degree of anonymity,and not stored for any real length of time. The system Boris paid his mates for stores info for seven years I believe, and was to be stored without anonymity. The decision was a no brainer, give the contract to pals of the government. They did the same thing with PPE contracts, one company was given a contract for millions,despite having assets of around 15k.