O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[lunaspie]

Bugger, I wasn't going to reply again. Sorry everyone

I did warn you a couple of days ago.

[BigFatPie]

Conclusion from a study published in Nature magazine last week;

‘Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting22. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection26, when evaluated systematically using high-sensitivity cardiac troponin tests27. Moreover, evidence of myocardial injury, irrespective of whether due to myocarditis or myocardial ischemia, is associated with a higher risk of in-hospital death28. We estimate that the absolute number of excess myocarditis events in the 28 days following a first dose of adenovirus or mRNA vaccine is between one and six per million persons vaccinated, and the excess risk following the second dose of the mRNA-1283 vaccine is ten per million. By contrast, we estimate 40 excess myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following SARS-CoV-2 infection. The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million. Further research is required to understand why the risk of myocarditis seems to be higher following mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although the wider societal benefits of controlling the spread of virus to those who are more vulnerable are substantial, these data may help inform public health policy and the choice of vaccine offered to younger adults.’

Fairly clear cut.

[SwalePie]

Conclusion from a study published in Nature magazine last week;

‘Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting22. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection26, when evaluated systematically using high-sensitivity cardiac troponin tests27. Moreover, evidence of myocardial injury, irrespective of whether due to myocarditis or myocardial ischemia, is associated with a higher risk of in-hospital death28. We estimate that the absolute number of excess myocarditis events in the 28 days following a first dose of adenovirus or mRNA vaccine is between one and six per million persons vaccinated, and the excess risk following the second dose of the mRNA-1283 vaccine is ten per million. By contrast, we estimate 40 excess myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following SARS-CoV-2 infection. The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million. Further research is required to understand why the risk of myocarditis seems to be higher following mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although the wider societal benefits of controlling the spread of virus to those who are more vulnerable are substantial, these data may help inform public health policy and the choice of vaccine offered to younger adults.’

Fairly clear cut.

Ah but they would say that, wouldn't they? I once saw an article in Nature about lizards. I'll leave you to put two and two together.

[BigFatPie]

Ah but they would say that, wouldn't they? I once saw an article in Nature about lizards. I'll leave you to put two and two together.

Haha don’t mention lizards to the anti vax lads, they’ll be claiming soon the vaccines turn you into one.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Apparently 31% of EFL players have not yet had their first shot against COVID and a quarter of players have no intention of getting vaccinated. We could have the ridiculous situation of fans having to produce a vaccine passport to watch players who have not been vaccinated.
What's a matter with these pillocks? Are they afraid of having a pinprick? Will it get them laughed out of the dressing room?
Civil liberties are all well and good but this is about protecting your fellow man as well as yourself. Those who reject being vaccinated are behaving like a bunch of right wingers or do they actually believe the Q-anon myth that it's all part of a government plot to control people?
The way things are going football will have ground to a halt before January is halfway through.

Maybe they think the vaccine hasn't been tested properly and has been rushed through. Maybe they think that the side effects of the Vaccine have been hidden from the public to suit their gamble of pushing the untested vaccine on them !?.

Didn't the government retract the law that means any companies involved with the creation of the vaccine cannot be sued for any damages caused by its use ?

There's is a rumour that one hidden side effect is inflammation of the heart ( I'm not sure how plausible or true ) and I know 3 people who have had heart attack's that the doctors cannot identify what caused it , they could see no reason for them having one (Is this normal?)
mmmmmm....food for thought possibly

[cher1]

Maybe they think the vaccine hasn't been tested properly and has been rushed through. Maybe they think that the side effects of the Vaccine have been hidden from the public to suit their gamble of pushing the untested vaccine on them !?.

Didn't the government retract the law that means any companies involved with the creation of the vaccine cannot be sued for any damages caused by its use ?

There's is a rumour that one hidden side effect is inflammation of the heart ( I'm not sure how plausible or true ) and I know 3 people who have had heart attack's that the doctors cannot identify what caused it , they could see no reason for them having one (Is this normal?)
mmmmmm....food for thought possibly

It isn't a rumor, myocarditis is a rare side effect of the vaccine. It's almost always mild or moderate and treatable. It's different from a heart attack though.

The vaccine isn't untested. Yes, companies have been indemnified against legal action, but the government will pay out instead under a vaccine damage payment programme that was already in place (although the amount of payment is £120k, which doesnt seem much).

[PedroTheFisherman66]

It isn't a rumor, myocarditis is a rare side effect of the vaccine. It's almost always mild or moderate and treatable. It's different from a heart attack though.

The vaccine isn't untested. Yes, companies have been indemnified against legal action, but the government will pay out instead under a vaccine damage payment programme that was already in place (although the amount of payment is £120k, which doesnt seem much).

Is it normal for people to have heart attacks where the doctors cant find a reason for it to happen ,? I'm not sure if this is a normal occurrence or not

[tied_up_in_notts]

[SwalePie]

[kill_the_drum]

I’m double jabbed and have been pro-vax.
However, recently I’ve started researching for myself rather than just accepting what is being constantly rammed down my throat. There’s plenty of medical professionals that are against the vaccine, they’re just constantly shut down and get zero air time. The main issue they have isn’t that the vax is altering our DNA, or anything wacky, just that the true side effects aren’t known but the numbers of younger people suffering heart problems is much greater than what’s being reported. The argument to that is every product comes with a risk, but that is exactly there argument. If you’re going to take paracetamol, the risks, however small, are detailed. You’re free to read them and then free to decide whether you take the paracetamol. However, with the vaccine these side effects are hugely downplayed and the pressure to have it is enormous.
I’m really not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, and I have no agenda. But from what I’m starting to read, there’s a real plausible other reason we’re all being bullied into taking a vaccine….Profit!
If anyone has 3 hours spare. Listen to Joe Rogans podcast with Peter McCullough, recorded this week.