O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[i961pie]

Thankfully the prospect of those clowns getting in is as about as realistic as Stuart Maynard winning manager of the year.

Enjoy the next 4 and a half years lad.

That's a bold statement to make? Especially when you see the advance of right wing parties across the whole of Europe. Let's face it no one really expected Reform to get any seats, yet they got over 14% of the vote. You ignore them at your peril especially with what Labour have done this first few months.
Of course Labour could be proved right and the early pain could become a gain before the next election.
We shall see.

[forwardmagpie]

It?s a bit odd to be more annoyed at the government who are dealing with this( and the post office scandal, infected blood, Grenfell etc etc) than the government who didnt.

Even when as in this case, the solutions are sometimes not to everyone?s liking.

Just out of interest BFP is there anything that the current government has been involved with that you don?t support. From all the received gifts, the winter fuel allowance, the Chagos Islands, the budget, Millibands GB energy plans, WASPI women, maybe delaying some council elections, Rayners house building plans with building on green belt land, border security, cosying up the the EU, Starmer hardly in this country with constant trips abroad and all the perceived broken promises. Is it just dogma or do you genuinely believe this has been a brilliant first 5 months in power?

[SmiffyPie]

Quote:
"A Labour minister has been named in an investigation into claims her family embezzled up to ?3.9bn (Tk 590 billion) from infrastructure projects in Bangladesh. Tulip Siddiq, who as the Treasury's Economic Secretary is responsible for tackling corruption in UK financial markets, is alleged to have brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 for a new nuclear power plant in Bangladesh that saw ?1bn siphoned off into private hands."

Innocent until and all that.

[SmiffyPie]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

[Elite_Pie]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

There is a bit of a difference. The rules say a government is elected for 5 years, but there is no fixed term for EU membership. That means if it obviously isn't working (in or out) then you can fix it sooner rather than later.

[keldsyke]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

Spot on, it is what it is and at the moment nothing is going to change, however the vocal Sneinton Popular Front on here seem to have the inability to accept that what they wished for has turned out to be even worse than what was before Labour and that was bad, the solution as always in life is compromise which most balanced people can do, but the Left have this inability to be balanced, you question something and they go into meltdown blaming anyone but looking at themselves.

[Elite_Pie]

Spot on, it is what it is and at the moment nothing is going to change, however the vocal Sneinton Popular Front on here seem to have the inability to accept that what they wished for has turned out to be even worse than what was before Labour and that was bad.

Do you decide the result of a football match after 8 minutes?

I've found it's better to wait until the end.

[BigFatPie]

Just out of interest BFP is there anything that the current government has been involved with that you don?t support. From all the received gifts, the winter fuel allowance, the Chagos Islands, the budget, Millibands GB energy plans, WASPI women, maybe delaying some council elections, Rayners house building plans with building on green belt land, border security, cosying up the the EU, Starmer hardly in this country with constant trips abroad and all the perceived broken promises. Is it just dogma or do you genuinely believe this has been a brilliant first 5 months in power?

Why do you always quote a post of mine but hardly ever address the point within? It?s sort of how online interaction should work.

There?s elements of getting rid of the IHT exemption on farmland that could be tweaked, maybe raise the thresholds somewhat or only make it payable when it?s sold. I would probably delay the means testing of the WFA for a year so all those eligible for pension credits have time to get their claims in. The more I hear about the waspi women the worse the case for their grievance becomes, though I agree that Labour politicians shouldnt have stood beside those ladies waving placards. I generally think taxing wealthy landowners offspring and not giving public money to largely decently well off pensioners are good things. And I?m pretty sure you do too. In 2017 the Tories said they would scrap the WFA and did you vote for Corbyn and McDonnell in 2019 when they said they would give the waspi women 58 BILLION quid?

Your other items are classic bad faith right wing press talking points. Are you really pretending to have a strong view on the Chagos Islands? The absolute epitome of something no one would have cared about if the Tories did it. As I inferred in the post you quoted, the government is getting difficult things done which after the neglect of the last 14 years and a 5 year term in office to come seems wise to me. Both public services and public finances are in a shocking state and they both need fixing. That will take time and money.

Ive addressed your question in good faith. I do find it hard though to take some of the faux outrage about this seriously when the people shouting have voted repeatedly to cut public services to the bone and voted in blatantly dishonest politicians. Especially when most of them voted as well for the Brexit thats made us all much poorer. It?s good that you and others like you have such high expectations of this government, it?s just such a pity you didn?t apply those standards for the last 15 years.

[Med Pie]

Why do you always quote a post of mine but hardly ever address the point within? It?s sort of how online interaction should work.
Your other items are classic bad faith right wing press talking points. Are you really pretending to have a strong view on the Chagos Islands? The absolute epitome of something no one would have cared about if the Tories did it. As I inferred in the post you quoted, the government is getting difficult things done which after the neglect of the last 14 years and a 5 year term in office to come seems wise to me. Both public services and public finances are in a shocking state and they both need fixing. That will take time and money.

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It's cumulative, this government is perceived as anti British but the Chagos Islands are an act of blatant, stupidity. Turning them over to pro China, Mauritius and then actually paying them rent! Gibraltar and then the Falklands will be given over at some point, Starmer denied it so with his track record for lying, that's a given.

Labour are not getting 'difficult' things done, they're hitting easy targets who can't hit back and as for criminality, anyone else read the accusations against Tulip Siddiq and her family today?

[i961pie]

Why do you always quote a post of mine but hardly ever address the point within? It?s sort of how online interaction should work.

There?s elements of getting rid of the IHT exemption on farmland that could be tweaked, maybe raise the thresholds somewhat or only make it payable when it?s sold. I would probably delay the means testing of the WFA for a year so all those eligible for pension credits have time to get their claims in. The more I hear about the waspi women the worse the case for their grievance becomes, though I agree that Labour politicians shouldnt have stood beside those ladies waving placards. I generally think taxing wealthy landowners offspring and not giving public money to largely decently well off pensioners are good things. And I?m pretty sure you do too. In 2017 the Tories said they would scrap the WFA and did you vote for Corbyn and McDonnell in 2019 when they said they would give the waspi women 58 BILLION quid?

Your other items are classic bad faith right wing press talking points. Are you really pretending to have a strong view on the Chagos Islands? The absolute epitome of something no one would have cared about if the Tories did it. As I inferred in the post you quoted, the government is getting difficult things done which after the neglect of the last 14 years and a 5 year term in office to come seems wise to me. Both public services and public finances are in a shocking state and they both need fixing. That will take time and money.

Ive addressed your question in good faith. I do find it hard though to take some of the faux outrage about this seriously when the people shouting have voted repeatedly to cut public services to the bone and voted in blatantly dishonest politicians. Especially when most of them voted as well for the Brexit thats made us all much poorer. It?s good that you and others like you have such high expectations of this government, it?s just such a pity you didn?t apply those standards for the last 15 years.

I know Brexit gets blamed on all our woes but I wonder what the EU super power Germany blame on their recession, and France ? Trillions in debt and can't form any kind of decent government. Spain with the largest youth unemployment in Europe. Don't mention Greece they've been bankrupt for about 15 years or more. Italy with their far right government. In fact much of the EU seems to be in a far worse state than us.
What's their excuse?