OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

I agree with making voting compulsory 100%

I cant agree that we would be welcome back with open arms with a few more concessions on offer though. I see the exact opposite with opportunist Big Europe factions seeing us as weak and indecisive and trying to push through more pan Europisation. For all our sakes, should this eventuality happen, I hope you read it better than I.

[ramAnag]

I agree with making voting compulsory 100%

I cant agree that we would be welcome back with open arms with a few more concessions on offer though. I see the exact opposite with opportunist Big Europe factions seeing us as weak and indecisive and trying to push through more pan Europisation. For all our sakes, should this eventuality happen, I hope you read it better than I.

Maybe we need a referendum to decide whether voting in referenda should be compulsory.

[Andy_Faber]

isn’t it just possible that by ‘returning’, despite both sides having to eat some ‘humble pie’, we could just be in a position to both pick up the continued benefits and lead change within the EU rather than be destructively isolated from it?

No. You've spent too much time listening to John Lennon's 'Imagine'.

[ramAnag]

No. You've spent too much time listening to John Lennon's 'Imagine'.

Not sure I get the reference. I’m not being idealistic about what’s happening and I have remained consistent.
The Brexitears tell us that the EU is desperate for our contribution. It’s clear they don’t want us to leave so why the hell would they penalise us if there was another vote against leaving?

[Manofpride]

Not sure I get the reference. I’m not being idealistic about what’s happening and I have remained consistent.
The Brexitears tell us that the EU is desperate for our contribution. It’s clear they don’t want us to leave so why the hell would they penalise us if there was another vote against leaving?

I think if we tried to crawl back I think that they would see us as a pathetic weak Country RA that they could trample on, of course they'd want us back we're their backbone.
The British public made their decision and it is now up to the politicians to try and get the best deal for it's peoplec before we leave!

[ramAnag]

I think if we tried to crawl back I think that they would see us as a pathetic weak Country RA that they could trample on, of course they'd want us back we're their backbone.
The British public made their decision and it is now up to the politicians to try and get the best deal for it's peoplec before we leave!

So that’s what the Referendum achieved...we’ve gone from, in your words, being the ‘backbone’ of the EU to running the risk of being perceived as a ‘pathetic weak country’. Brilliant! What an achievement by, not the ‘British public’ but...well you know the percentage by now.

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure I get the reference. I’m not being idealistic about what’s happening and I have remained consistent.
The Brexitears tell us that the EU is desperate for our contribution. It’s clear they don’t want us to leave so why the hell would they penalise us if there was another vote against leaving?

You are the forum ideallist but I was thinking more the dreamer bit - 'if' the referendum hadn't been called, 'if' the population had been better informed, 'if' the will of the people could be ignored, 'if' another referendum could be called - I voted as 'remain' as you did but unlike you, none of those have ever occurred to me as viable

And I now genuinely believe that 'they' (the EU institution) aren't bothered whether we leave or not, they just don't want to see our net contribution leave.

PS the above doesn't alter my opinion that 'we' (our govt) are making a right balls up of the whole think and that 'we' (our oppositions) are making an even bigger balls up of holding the govt to account.

[MadAmster]

You are the forum ideallist but I was thinking more the dreamer bit - 'if' the referendum hadn't been called, 'if' the population had been better informed, 'if' the will of the people could be ignored, 'if' another referendum could be called - I voted as 'remain' as you did but unlike you, none of those have ever occurred to me as viable

And I now genuinely believe that 'they' (the EU institution) aren't bothered whether we leave or not, they just don't want to see our net contribution leave.

PS the above doesn't alter my opinion that 'we' (our govt) are making a right balls up of the whole think and that 'we' (our oppositions) are making an even bigger balls up of holding the govt to account.

Surely, the biggest problem that the "opposition" has here is that they accept the vote to leave and any criticism of the Government will be on HOW rather than WHETHER. If seen to be blocking the Tories at every turn, Labour would collapse at the next general Election IMO.

[ramAnag]

You are the forum ideallist but I was thinking more the dreamer bit - 'if' the referendum hadn't been called, 'if' the population had been better informed, 'if' the will of the people could be ignored, 'if' another referendum could be called - I voted as 'remain' as you did but unlike you, none of those have ever occurred to me as viable

And I now genuinely believe that 'they' (the EU institution) aren't bothered whether we leave or not, they just don't want to see our net contribution leave.

PS the above doesn't alter my opinion that 'we' (our govt) are making a right balls up of the whole think and that 'we' (our oppositions) are making an even bigger balls up of holding the govt to account.

Lol...you really have misinterpreted me and I’m really not...I’m actually much more of a glass half empty hard bitten realist which does me few favours.
Maybe looking back forty or fifty years I was an idealistic dreamer but the responsibilities of work and parenthood, amongst other things, rapidly kicked all that out of me.
The one thing I may have, along with many others including you, is an acute sense of right and wrong. Haven’t always lived up to it sadly, but it’s not about me and the ‘what ifs’ you refer to are, imo, observations that are entirely practical and objections that are completely objective.

I continue to question the following...
1) The Referendum was originally introduced to settle a Tory Party squabble and remains a source of Tory infighting which has nothing to do with the national interest.
2) The Brexit campaign was dominated by lies, misinformation and the breaking of electoral rules. Under such circumstances why should we follow the result which over 60% of the electorate have never voted for?
3) The nation is becoming increasingly paralysed, in political, social and financial terms, as a result of the uncertainty that surrounds Brexit. There are more than enough business leaders, who certainly know more about such matters than me, who are increasingly opposed to Brexit. I’d rather listen to them than any number of half baked, hypocritical, back stabbing politicians whose prime motive is one of self interest.

Does that sound like idealism to you? I don’t think so but...unlike you it increasingly seems...I do know where I stand.
As July slips into August...who will you be voting for this month?

[Andy_Faber]

Surely, the biggest problem that the "opposition" has here is that they accept the vote to leave and any criticism of the Government will be on HOW rather than WHETHER. If seen to be blocking the Tories at every turn, Labour would collapse at the next general Election IMO.

yes agreed but I don't think they are doing that very well