Careless Tories!

[ramAnag]

Andrew Brigden expelled from the Tories for comparing the covid vaccine to the holocaust.

Suggestions he might join Laurence Fox reclaim party, says it all really.

MPs being expelled left right and centre (pun intended), will we have anyone left to vote for?

Good God! Bridgen and Laurence Fox together. What a combination. Might as well have no one to vote for.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Now that is twisting facts to suit your agenda rA. Much of those deaths were caused by the inadvertent introduction of new diseases to the continent, against which the indigenous peoples had no resistance, by the conquistadors.

Next you'll be blaming the COVID "genocide" on the Chinese

[ramAnag]

Now that is twisting facts to suit your agenda rA. Much of those deaths were caused by the inadvertent introduction of new diseases to the continent, against which the indigenous peoples had no resistance, by the conquistadors.

Next you'll be blaming the COVID "genocide" on the Chinese

That’s a very fair point, GP which I completely accept, however ‘genocide’ is the destruction of a nation or ethnic group so I’m not sure how much it matters how it was done. The % destruction of the indigenous population via colonisation of the ‘Americas’ is quite staggering and there were plenty of massacres, rapes and people sold into slavery along the way.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm sure there were plenty such massacres etc, but my point is that I define genocide as being deliberate. The inadvertent transmission of measles, flu, smallpox etc was not wilful and something 15th century medical science couldn't have stopped when it took holf

[ramAnag]

I'm sure there were plenty such massacres etc, but my point is that I define genocide as being deliberate. The inadvertent transmission of measles, flu, smallpox etc was not wilful and something 15th century medical science couldn't have stopped when it took holf

Fine lines, GP...what was initially ‘inadvertent’ probably didn’t remain so and many, many deaths were attributable to war, violence and displacement too.
You may define genocide as ‘being deliberate’ but, while I can see your point completely, not everyone does. You know as well as I do the levels of cruelty and violence that were synonymous with colonisation and the deliberate eradication of Native North American tribes was, imo, very comparable, in terms of horrifying human atrocity, with the Holocaust.
Either way, returning to the main topic, my point is that, by pointing out one example of human wrongdoing on a vast scale I am not belittling or being in any way ‘anti’ another.

[Trickytreesreds]

I'm sure there were plenty such massacres etc, but my point is that I define genocide as being deliberate. The inadvertent transmission of measles, flu, smallpox etc was not wilful and something 15th century medical science couldn't have stopped when it took holf

Nor the ***ual diseases that decimated the pacific islands. Hawiian islands lost 80% of its populations in only 60 years since Cooks arrival. I don't think racist gencide was at the forefront though.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Fine lines, GP...what was initially ‘inadvertent’ probably didn’t remain so and many, many deaths were attributable to war, violence and displacement too.
You may define genocide as ‘being deliberate’ but, while I can see your point completely, not everyone does. You know as well as I do the levels of cruelty and violence that were synonymous with colonisation and the deliberate eradication of Native North American tribes was, imo, very comparable, in terms of horrifying human atrocity, with the Holocaust.
Either way, returning to the main topic, my point is that, by pointing out one example of human wrongdoing on a vast scale I am not belittling or being in any way ‘anti’ another.

Yes I think there probably was a difference between the conquistadors taking down the Incas, Aztecs, Mayans etc and the more deliberate slaughter of the Redskins in North America

[ramAnag]

Yes I think there probably was a difference between the conquistadors taking down the Incas, Aztecs, Mayans etc and the more deliberate slaughter of the Redskins in North America

Indeed...but let’s not start down the apologist route for Columbus and the later Conquistadors...their wrongdoing and contribution to genocide was by no means confined to the spread of fatal disease.

[swaledale]

Anyway back to the subject of the thread, good to see BBC Chair Sharp fall on his sword, though he should have done that much sooner!

ironically what led to his downfall was omitting to declare his arranging the fat buffoons loan and not his previous £400k donation to the Tory party! Now that really is careless, because if he had declared it, there more than likely wouldn't have been an issue - but one gets the impression with these people that ehy feel the rules don't apply to them.

All that remains now is to get rid of the other Tory plants at the head of the BBC.

[swaledale]

Long term political, demographic and economic shifts almost always matter much more to the final outcome than any one leaflet, attack ad, or campaign gaffe.

There are few better examples of this than yesterday’s local elections. In the months running up to polling day, Rishi Sunak’s party and its ideological cheerleaders tried desperately to start a series of ‘culture wars’ on everything from immigration, to the BBC, to trans rights.

As voters told pollsters that their overwhelming priorities were dealing with surging prices, falling wages and an increasingly broken public sector, the Conservatives instead spent months talking about uni*** bathrooms, small boats, and Gary Lineker.
n the weeks leading up to polling day, as Labour and Liberal Democrat activists poured onto doorsteps with promises to fix Britain’s broken economy, The Sun newspaper instead splashed on a claim that ‘BRITS SAY NO TO WOKE’ while suggesting that voters were set to ‘reject woke Labour’. Meanwhile the conservative academic Matthew Goodwin toured broadcast studios pushing his theory that the liberal-left ‘new elite’ had become completely detached from the public mood.

They are chasing a declining zeitgeist, because in the end, one of the reasons why ‘anti-woke’ folk are so upset is because certain things that once upon a time nobody questioned, like the idea that same *** relationships are not a good idea… are no longer commonly held views.