O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[KerrAvon]

I don't know whether Corbyn would have torture chambers and doubt whether Trade Unionists eat people alive (the chap from the GMB who spoke after me at a conference on Monday ate from the same lunchtime buffet as me, as did the FBU delegate).

What we do know is:

He will raise corporate tax rates making the UK a less attractive place to do business, employ people and pay taxes.

He will seize 10% of every decent sized public company making the UK a less attractive place to do business, employ people and pay taxes and destroying pension fund values.

He will unfetter the unions, putting us as at risk of the re-emergence of the closed shop protection racket and the job destroying militancy of the seventies.

He will spend vast amounts of public money on ideologically driven nationalisations.

Insofar as it is possible to tell, he will enter into a deal with the EU that allows freedom of movement to continue, which is a betrayal of what many people voted for in 2016.

These are the things you should be concerned about, but it shouldn't bother your sleep as the electorate will, hopefully, not allow it to come to pass, just as they didn't in 2017.

P.s. you need to check out how often you are name checking me in posts. You are becoming almost as obsessed as Exile.

[ragingpup]

I don't know whether Corbyn would have torture chambers and doubt whether Trade Unionists eat people alive (the chap from the GMB who spoke after me at a conference on Monday ate from the same lunchtime buffet as me, as did the FBU delegate).

What we do know is:

He will raise corporate tax rates making the UK a less attractive place to do business, employ people and pay taxes.

He will seize 10% of every decent sized public company making the UK a less attractive place to do business, employ people and pay taxes and destroying pension fund values.

He will unfetter the unions, putting us as at risk of the re-emergence of the closed shop protection racket and the job destroying militancy of the seventies.

He will spend vast amounts of public money on ideologically driven nationalisations.

Insofar as it is possible to tell, he will enter into a deal with the EU that allows freedom of movement to continue, which is a betrayal of what many people voted for in 2016.

These are the things you should be concerned about, but it shouldn't bother your sleep as the electorate will, hopefully, not allow it to come to pass, just as they didn't in 2017.

P.s. you need to check out how often you are name checking me in posts. You are becoming almost as obsessed as Exile.

Ok - another statement of what you're against.

So, going forward (I'm feeling optimistic, it's Friday!)

1. What evidence based policies would you support that would might address the social issues which we all agree are there? Do you accept all/parts of the recent UN report on UK poverty? If so, what would you like our politicians to actually DO about it (as opposed to not do).

2. As a professed non Labour/Conservative voter, which party have you previously supported to try and steer the country in the direction you would have liked to have seen?

3. Moving forward, which political party do you think is closest to the policies you would like to see, the party that at the moment is most likely to get your vote? What specifically do you like about their active policies that gets your vote?


We've all had the courage to nail our colours to the mast and allowed them to be dissected. Now you have a go. We'll be gentle....

[rolymiller]

P.s. you need to check out how often you are name checking me in posts. You are becoming almost as obsessed as Exile.

...and yet in your next post you name check me...


I wonder if Roly will be along to plagiarise your questions.

Which brings me on to summat else actually...why do you think that posters on here need to plagiarise questions of others. to you..could it be because you never answer them?

[KerrAvon]

When have I said I'm a non Labour voter? Hell, I voted for them in 1983 - the last time they were run by someone who was hopelessly misguided. If there was a get together for people who did that, the organisers would only need to book an upstairs room in a pub.

I wonder if Roly will be along to plagiarise your questions.

[ragingpup]

When have I said I'm a non Labour voter? Hell, I voted for them in 1983 - the last time they were run by someone who was hopelessly misguided. If there was a get together for people who did that, the organisers would only need to book an upstairs room in a pub.

I wonder if Roly will be along to plagiarise your questions.

I wonder if you're able to answer my questions?

[Timbertop]

The media's Project Fear is back in full swing bigging up Mark Carney's "no deal " speech as a forecast of economic disaster but failing to tell us this was his WORST CASE scenario appraisal. Unfortunately these scare tactics are beginning to influence people. When Tory grandees like Ken Clarke are now supporting May's deal we should be worried. Come on Mr Corbyn and get behind what most Labour supporters voted for in the referendum. Can't see how remaining as EU lapdogs will help his political aspirations.

[MillerBill]

The media's Project Fear is back in full swing bigging up Mark Carney's "no deal " speech as a forecast of economic disaster but failing to tell us this was his WORST CASE scenario appraisal. Unfortunately these scare tactics are beginning to influence people. When Tory grandees like Ken Clarke are now supporting May's deal we should be worried. Come on Mr Corbyn and get behind what most Labour supporters voted for in the referendum. Can't see how remaining as EU lapdogs will help his political aspirations.

Corbyn needs to sort out what he ACTUALLY stands for.He has done a " U Turn",after condemning the EU all his political lifetime, he has rowed in with Islington lovie dovies .The likes of Geldoff and his very wealthy layabout friends on that millionaire's yacht who put two fingers up at the downtrodden trawlermen, who were protesting about the EU was an absolute disgrace!! Come on Corbyn be honest,why be on the side of big business who are trying to please the shareholders by having a cosy relationship with the corrupt EU.Yes "Project fear" will be in full swing again with all the exaggerated predictions based on the worst possible outcomes.They never get it right but always seem to get a lot of coverage through the BBC and other networks who support the EU.

[Exiletyke]

Corbyn needs to sort out what he ACTUALLY stands for.He has done a " U Turn",after condemning the EU all his political lifetime, he has rowed in with Islington lovie dovies .The likes of Geldoff and his very wealthy layabout friends on that millionaire's yacht who put two fingers up at the downtrodden trawlermen, who were protesting about the EU was an absolute disgrace!! Come on Corbyn be honest,why be on the side of big business who are trying to please the shareholders by having a cosy relationship with the corrupt EU.Yes "Project fear" will be in full swing again with all the exaggerated predictions based on the worst possible outcomes.They never get it right but always seem to get a lot of coverage through the BBC and other networks who support the EU.

I actually agree with that post

[ragingpup]

Corbyn needs to sort out what he ACTUALLY stands for.He has done a " U Turn",after condemning the EU all his political lifetime, he has rowed in with Islington lovie dovies .The likes of Geldoff and his very wealthy layabout friends on that millionaire's yacht who put two fingers up at the downtrodden trawlermen, who were protesting about the EU was an absolute disgrace!! Come on Corbyn be honest,why be on the side of big business who are trying to please the shareholders by having a cosy relationship with the corrupt EU.Yes "Project fear" will be in full swing again with all the exaggerated predictions based on the worst possible outcomes.They never get it right but always seem to get a lot of coverage through the BBC and other networks who support the EU.

Good post Bill. Similar to Lasterman above. I get your frustration for Corbyn to come out in favour of hard Brexit.

But can anyone explain how it might benefit Corbyn and the Labour Party of the last manifesto to sever their ties with the EU, especially the single market and customs union? What exactly are the EU doing that would stop Corbyn carrying out his manifesto commitments? I was wrong in thinking that the EU might stop Labour improving workers and environmental rights but Kerr has put me right on that - they could not stop him doing so if he so wished.

You might know his prior anti-EU speeches better than me, I don't know exactly why he has opposed it, but I'm guessing it is on the lines of opposing their centrist neo-liberal outlook. And I get that, I would agree with him, but trying to be pragmatic here, I can't see how a Labour party would hugely benefit from a Hard Brexit? How would Corbyn's manifesto aims be improved by a Hard Brexit along the lines of that you want to see? Maybe someone could help me on that one?

[millmoormagic]

Corbyn needs to sort out what he ACTUALLY stands for.He has done a " U Turn",after condemning the EU all his political lifetime, he has rowed in with Islington lovie dovies .The likes of Geldoff and his very wealthy layabout friends on that millionaire's yacht who put two fingers up at the downtrodden trawlermen, who were protesting about the EU was an absolute disgrace!! Come on Corbyn be honest,why be on the side of big business who are trying to please the shareholders by having a cosy relationship with the corrupt EU.Yes "Project fear" will be in full swing again with all the exaggerated predictions based on the worst possible outcomes.They never get it right but always seem to get a lot of coverage through the BBC and other networks who support the EU.

I do understand this argument, Corbyn has indeed always been anti EU, but i think everyone's missing a massive bit of truth about Brexit, every possible outcome IS going to damage the UK, it's people and workforce, it's ability to look after the weakest in society, that's not 'project fear', that i'm afraid is FACT....