O/T:- Should he stay or should he go? WARNING - POLITICAL THREAD!!!!

[BigFatPie]

No she wasn't she asked a question that showed concern about immigration but that wasn't allowed.
Anyone who dare mention immigration at that time was labelled a racist, you being a prime example.
Even the biased BBC lambasted him. He didn't last long after that.

Not really no, she was groundlessly moaning about Eastern European immigrunts, he should have responded by telling her how much of a contribution they make, and how immigration makes us all better off.

You appear to think that nob from Cambridge is a right laugh, so no surprise that you agree with her sentiments.

[i961pie]

Not really no, she was groundlessly moaning about Eastern European immigrunts, he should have responded by telling her how much of a contribution they make, and how immigration makes us all better off.

You appear to think that nob from Cambridge is a right laugh, so no surprise that you agree with her sentiments.

Why did he apologise then? And is every immigrant from eastern Europe making a contribution?
I Have no problem with immigrants coming here from any country to work if that is what we need or genuine refugees, but let's be honest we surely have to have some kind of limit we are a small island with over 60 .million people, how many more can we sustain. People with concerns ain't all racists. The people who live in places like Boston don't harbour your sentiments.

[Elite_Pie]

Why did he apologise then?

If you read gumpy's transcript, it seems that he apologised because in retrospect he realised that his words and actions were wrong. What he really should have done is to claim that he was merely testing his eyesight (more plausible than most given his personal circumstances), and then say to any dissenters that it's time to move on.

And is every immigrant from eastern Europe making a contribution?

Probably not all, but the vast majority of them make a positive contribution. If there is one who doesn't however, you can guarantee two things - firstly it will be headline news in The Sun, and secondly that thick tw@ts will be taken in by the headlines.

[i961pie]

If you read gumpy's transcript, it seems that he apologised because in retrospect he realised that his words and actions were wrong. What he really should have done is to claim that he was merely testing his eyesight (more plausible than most given his personal circumstances), and then say to any dissenters that it's time to move on.




Probably not all, but the vast majority of them make a positive contribution. If there is one who doesn't however, you can guarantee two things - firstly it will be headline news in The Sun, and secondly that thick tw@ts will be taken in by the headlines.

Ok so oh selected my first line to reply to, what about the rest of the post?
Do you think we can sustain millions more people coming here over the next few decades? Genuine question.

[BigFatPie]

Why did he apologise then? And is every immigrant from eastern Europe making a contribution?
I Have no problem with immigrants coming here from any country to work if that is what we need or genuine refugees, but let's be honest we surely have to have some kind of limit we are a small island with over 60 .million people, how many more can we sustain. People with concerns ain't all racists. The people who live in places like Boston don't harbour your sentiments.

As I said above, he shouldn’t have apologised. I have to demonstrate that every single immigrant is making a contribution for it to be considered a ‘good thing’? We always had the ability to limit immigration, both from the EU and elsewhere, but successive governments chose not to exercise that ability. We always had the ability to kick out the non-contributing immigrants, both from the EU and elsewhere. Guess what happened? Successive governments chose not to. I hope people living in Boston are gearing up to pick all the Lincolnshire fruit and vegetables that are gonna need picking. After all, they got their way.

All of which really, has nothing to do with whether Gordon Brown had integrity or not.

[sidders]

Why did he apologise then? And is every immigrant from eastern Europe making a contribution?
I Have no problem with immigrants coming here from any country to work if that is what we need or genuine refugees, but let's be honest we surely have to have some kind of limit we are a small island with over 60 .million people, how many more can we sustain. People with concerns ain't all racists. The people who live in places like Boston don't harbour your sentiments.

And you know this, how?

[i961pie]

And you know this, how?

By what was said and reported from there during the election, which resulted in the Conservative candidate getting 76% of the vote. An overwhelming victory by any standards.

[countygump]

You wouldn't believe this was still on-line after all this time.



Gillian Duffy, 65, heckled the prime minister as he was interviewed live on TV in Rochdale. Brown initially ignored her but was then asked by senior aides in his entourage to meet her.

Duffy: We had it drummed in when I was a child with mine … it was education, health service and looking after the people who are vulnerable. But there's too many people now who are vulnerable but they can claim and people who are vulnerable can't get claim, can't get it.

Brown: But they shouldn't be doing that, there is no life on the dole for people any more. If you are unemployed you've got to go back to work. It's six months.

Duffy: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're … but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?

Later, as he was leaving


Brown: Very good to meet you, and you're wearing the right colour today. Ha, ha, ha: How many grandchildren do you have?

Duffy: Two. They've just got back from Australia where they got stuck for 10 days. They couldn't get back with this ash crisis.

Brown: We've been trying to get people back quickly. Are they going to university. Is that the plan?

Duffy: I hope so. They're only 12 and 10.

Brown: Are they're doing well at school? [pats Duffy on the back] A good family, good to see you. It's very nice to see you.

In the car

Brown: That was a disaster. Well I just ... should never have put me in with that woman. Whose idea was that?

Aide: I don't know, I didn't see.

Brown: It was Sue [Nye] I think. It was just ridiculous.

Aide: I'm not sure if they [the media] will go with that.

Brown: They will go with that.

Aide: What did she say?

Brown: Oh everything, she was just a sort of bigoted woman. She said she used be Labour. I mean it's just ridiculous.

On BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show

Brown: I apologise if I have said anything like that. What I think she was raising with me was an issue of immigration and saying that there were too many people from eastern Europe in the country. I do apologise if I have said anything that has been hurtful, and I will apologise to her personally.

After playing a recording of Brown's comments

Vine: Is she not allowed to express her views?

Brown: Of course she's allowed to express a view, and I was saying that. The problem was that I was dealing with a question that she raised about immigration and I was not given a chance to answer it because we had a whole milieu of press around.

Of course I apologise if I have said anything that has been offensive, and I would never put myself in a position where I would want to say anything like that about a woman I met. It was a question about immigration that really I think was annoying.

Vine: You're blaming a member of staff there.

Brown: I'm blaming myself. I blame myself for what is done. You've got to remember that this was me being helpful to the broadcasters with my microphone on, rushing into the car because I had to get to another appointment.

"They have chosen to play my private conversation with the person who was in the car with me. I know these things can happen. I apologise profusely to the woman concerned. I think it was just the view that she expressed that I was worried about that I could not respond to.

After hearing of Brown's comments

Duffy: He's an educated person, why has he come out with words like that? He's supposed to lead this country and he's calling an ordinary woman who's just come up and asked questions what most people would ask him – he's not doing anything about the national debt and it's going to be tax, tax, tax for another 20 years to get out of this mess – and he's calling me a bigot. I thought he was understanding – but he wasn't, was he, the way he's come out with the comments.

Brown's statement after visiting Duffy to apologise in person

Brown: I've just been talking to Gillian. I'm mortified by what's happened. I've given her my sincere apologies. I misunderstood what she said, and she has accepted there was a misunderstanding and has accepted my apology.

If you like, I'm a penitent sinner. Sometimes you say things you don't mean to say, sometimes you say things by mistake and sometimes you say things you want to correct very quickly.

So I wanted to come here and say that I made a mistake but to also to say I understood the concerns she was bringing to me and I simply misunderstood some of the words she used. I made my apology.

I've come here – it's been a chance to talk to Gillian about her family, her relatives and her own history and what she has done, but most of all it's been a chance to apologise and say sorry, and to say sometimes you do make mistakes and you use the wrong words and once you've used the wrong word and made a mistake you should withdraw it and say profound apologies and that's what I've done.

[BigFatPie]

LMFAO as the kids say at asking where Eastern European immigrants are ‘flocking’ from.

[applepie]

Writing in today’s Observer the Tory hardline Brexiter Peter Bone calls again for Cummings to go and dismisses the idea that it is Remainers stirring trouble. “The saga is now preventing the government from being able to get their message out clearly,” he writes. “Every announcement on changes to the lockdown rules, track and trace, and government support, is bogged down with questions about Mr Cummings.”

Bone adds: “I believe that Mr Cummings did break the rules. Now, if he had accepted that he had done something wrong, and apologised for it, as a fair-minded person, I would have thought that that would be the end of it. It is the insistence that he did not break the rules and the refusal to apologise that has outraged so many.”