OT Border Control State of Emergency

[ragingpup]

Illegal immigrants it said on one news outlet. If this is correct then why are they not in the system? We have an identity card and the only way to receive any benefit is to do so online.
To get on any training course you have to download an app.
The black market here is rife even though we have all these things in place.

There are training courses set up for immigrants, I used to run a workshop for them and kids with social problems.
It was us that found housing for them if they were desperate using other charities.

The government don’t have the skills to do what is needed although there are many good people working on the projects.

The immigration policies are killing the system here as it is there. The pot of money is almost empty. The hospitals are overstretched, the education system is under too much pressure and the growth needed is being stifled by bad policy.

Unless there is a reset that will allow the millions have already flooded Europe then there is no chance of integration like you are enjoying in your life.

I think that you are blinkered by your good fortune. Your education, your job, your outlook on Britain as a colonising nation that should somehow be punished. Your willingness to give money for wars and to let the next generation pay for it.

There are many like me that think that you are wrong and that your liberal ideals are inhibiting your need to see it from other peoples position.

What news outlet is claiming that one million asylum seekers have arrived in the uk in the last 2 years?

[frogmiller]

What news outlet is claiming that one million asylum seekers have arrived in the uk in the last 2 years?

Unbelievable response 😂

[frogmiller]

Unbelievable response 😂

https://fullfact.org/immigration/net...ion-to-the-uk/

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

What news outlet is claiming that one million asylum seekers have arrived in the uk in the last 2 years?

Roughly 111000 asylum seekers per year according to HM Gov website

That?s roughly 4 Rotherhams

[howdydoo]

You don't help yourselves at all boys.

Ragingpup isn't wrong with his numbers.

Stop attempting to make him wrong when he's not.

Net migration, asylum seeker and illegal migrant numbers are all different.

We should be concentrating on whether or not the mass net migration numbers we've seen in the last 5 years will enrich this country and make it a better place.

Not convinced personally. Must be a raving racist then.

Or just concerned.

[Timbertop]

Are the secret regular middle of the night flights into Stansted from Gaza still happening ? How many are coming in that way and where is the Government putting them ?

[MillerBill]

Are the secret regular middle of the night flights into Stansted from Gaza still happening ? How many are coming in that way and where is the Government putting them ?

Inflation up,Cost of living up,Unemployment up,heating bills up,businesses going bust up,crime up.illegal immigration up,sleeze and corruption up, etc.,etc.,etc. BUT standing up for Brit's interests before foreigner's is most certainly down with this government.The gutter language used by Starmer and his puppet cabinet yesterday was utterly disgraceful.For wanting to protect our borders and look after our own people is classed as racist,so 90% of this population are all racist according to the deluded Starmer.

[ragingpup]

Inflation up,Cost of living up,Unemployment up,heating bills up,businesses going bust up,crime up.illegal immigration up,sleeze and corruption up, etc.,etc.,etc. BUT standing up for Brit's interests before foreigner's is most certainly down with this government.The gutter language used by Starmer and his puppet cabinet yesterday was utterly disgraceful.For wanting to protect our borders and look after our own people is classed as racist,so 90% of this population are all racist according to the deluded Starmer.

I may have missed something here, but I think Starmer is calling the policy to return all current UK workers with indefinate leave to remain racist. That's completely different to expressing a desire to have greater border protection. Farage's proposal on this is effectively isolating a group of UK workers on the basis only on the fact that they are recent migrants, and then forcibly deporting them on that basis. It is this, and only this that is in his opinion racist.

From what I can see he has been very careful to stress that it is not racist to be want to protect borders, and I'm sure that he would not even consider the ending of Indefinite Leave to Remain (but not for current UK workers forcing them to be deported) as a policy proposal as racist. It is just that particular policy as put forward by Farage (inc deportations) that he feels is racist.

Sure that may sting a little for those supporters who want to see forced deportation of these workers, who may feel that they are being called racist by association. But I think that is what he is saying.

For those of you that feel that Farage is speaking for 90% of the UK with this quite extreme policy, it's interesting to see the response from the UK public:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...eave-to-remain

The poll by centre right leaning yougov saw that opinion is pretty split on public responses to the scrapping of Indefinite Leave to Remain. But when it comes to the removal of ILR from those who already have it and are currently working in the UK, the majority of people opposed (58%) with only 29% supporting it. So not sure you quite have the 90% on side with you if you feel that these would support such a proposition.

[animallittle3]

I think that you are underestimating the effect of Brexit.

Post 2004, a lot of jobs in the UK economy were filled by 20 something Poles etc., who saw better opportunities in the UK than in their home countries and were willing to jump on a bus or plane to give it a try.

Post Brexit, the UK has had to go farther afield to find workers, but if you are recruiting from, say, The Philippines or India, the act of moving to the UK is a much bigger step.

A Pole is able to nip on a WizzAir flight to Warsaw see family for the weekend, but nipping over to Manila isn't an option.

The effect of that is that the workers brought into the country from farther afield in the Post Brexit 'Boris Wave' are more likely to bring dependants with them.

There's another possible Brexit impact. Take a look at the graph in this document showing the numbers of asylum seekers who have arrived into the UK:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ylum-in-the-uk

It's striking how the numbers soared after the implementation of Brexit.

I'm open to other possibilities, but could Brexit and the consequential withdrawal from the Dublin Arrangements have emboldened people to come to the UK, knowing that the risk of being returned to other EU countries had been reduced?

The irony of course is that the people who sold Brexit as the solution to everything don't talk about that anymore. Instead they are now selling ending immigration and potentially removing people who are settled here as the solution to everything. And the same people are buying into it...

The Dublin Agreement had minimal impact Kerr and it's usefulness is a bit overstated in my opinion .

On Brexit you are probably right about having to attract workers to do the low paid jobs from country's outside the EU , although the Tories declined to tell us that even though they knew the electorate had voted them in to government to lower immigration .

As I remember it Johnson was all for high skilled immigration and an Australian style points system , then did the exact opposite .

It pretty much comes down to this in my opinion , both the Tories and Labour can't suppress the electorate anymore on immigration because Reform are now a major player in UK politics .

Reality may well be that immigration needs to remain high but Labour aren't ever going to make a convincing enough argument for that whilst growth is practically zero , people are skint , housing supply poor and other infrastructure non existent .

I wouldn't go as far as to say immigration is the reason the country is in such poor shape but I'd question the value of it given the more people we allow to come here the less we see any real financial benefit in terms of growth or any increase in productivity that supplies greater pay offers .

Importing thousands of immigrants every year to do low paid work is actually detrimental to the economy , they take more out than they can put in despite the willingness to do the lower paid jobs .

[ragingpup]

The Dublin Agreement had minimal impact Kerr and it's usefulness is a bit overstated in my opinion .

On Brexit you are probably right about having to attract workers to do the low paid jobs from country's outside the EU , although the Tories declined to tell us that even though they knew the electorate had voted them in to government to lower immigration .

As I remember it Johnson was all for high skilled immigration and an Australian style points system , then did the exact opposite .

It pretty much comes down to this in my opinion , both the Tories and Labour can't suppress the electorate anymore on immigration because Reform are now a major player in UK politics .

Reality may well be that immigration needs to remain high but Labour aren't ever going to make a convincing enough argument for that whilst growth is practically zero , people are skint , housing supply poor and other infrastructure non existent .

I wouldn't go as far as to say immigration is the reason the country is in such poor shape but I'd question the value of it given the more people we allow to come here the less we see any real financial benefit in terms of growth or any increase in productivity that supplies greater pay offers .

Importing thousands of immigrants every year to do low paid work is actually detrimental to the economy , they take more out than they can put in despite the willingness to do the lower paid jobs .

Johnson did make those visa changes that allowed more mid to lower skilled workers to enter and work in the UK. But if you, or anyone on here were in his position, with industry reporting severe employee deficits in social care, food production and hospitality, what decision would you yourself make?

What evidence is there that importing thousands of immigrants to do low paid work is detrimental to the economy? True, we are not growing as an economy, but how might our economy performed with large holes in the workforce in these sectors?

But of course you're right on the cultural issues, and large numbers of the population heaping pressure on politicians and the only politicians likely to benefit are those that manage to what appear to be simple answers to a public that only want to hear simplistic answers, but actually behind those simplistic answers are huge **** off implications that are likely to hit the voters much harder economically.

I hear that some are past the point of caring and happy to take that hit. That's fair enough, I can't argue with that. What I do have a problem with are people that are trying duck the implications and swallow and spread quite obvious lies and fantasies in order to hand Farage his mandate.People may have lost faith in politics and economics, but in handing power to Farage, that won't stop politics and economics happening and as Truss showed, with Farage approving loudly from the sidelines, the implications for school politics in the real world is really quite ****ing expensive.