Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

If you choose to ignore adverts you can?t really have a view on whether you would be ?driven mad? or express any other emotion can you

Daft comment. I usually try and avoid adverts so self evidently I can’t comment on the quality or otherwise of a particular advert. But that’s not what I’m doing is it? I’m commenting on the suggestion that Pochin claims to be offended by there being too many black or Asian people in adverts, because that is a fundamentally racist comment.

If I remember correctly - and I’ll apologise if I’m wrong - you have previously suggested that you too are offended by there being too many non white faces amongst the TV media, so it comes as no great surprise that you adopt the stance you do.

[Andy_Faber]

Daft comment. I usually try and avoid adverts so self evidently I can?t comment on the quality or otherwise of a particular advert. But that?s not what I?m doing is it? I?m commenting on the suggestion that Pochin claims to be offended by there being too many black or Asian people in adverts, because that is a fundamentally racist comment.

If I remember correctly - and I?ll apologise if I?m wrong - you have previously suggested that you too are offended by there being too many non white faces amongst the TV media, so it comes as no great surprise that you adopt the stance you do.

My stance is I?d like a grown up conversation on the subject which based on last time excludes Swale and yourself so if Sith wants one as indicated that?s great. I must warn you though, because I know it triggers you, I have some personal interest here

[Geoff Parkstone]

Rather than listen to what might turn into the usual entrenched positions being excavated here, type ‘ Are non-whites over represented in uk tv adverts’ into Deepseek, which has no bias that I’m aware of

I did, very interesting. But we had better await the judgement of rA's trusted AI, deepSwale 😄

[ramAnag]

I did, very interesting. But we had better await the judgement of rA's trusted AI, deepSwale ��

Jeez, GP, for someone who claims to dislike antagonism on here you don’t half try to stir things up.

For the record, and taking into account that you and your mate the moderator specialise in deliberate misinterpretation and subsequent misrepresentation, what I said was that, imo, both Swale and I have exposed some of AF’s fallacies on a number of occasions.

Everyone on here knows that Swale and I tend to agree where politics is concerned, as I do with two or three others. Equally most on here may recall Swale and I having a couple of spectacular disagreements where football is concerned.

I know you currently feel the need to tiresomely criticise absolutely anything I write and rush to AF’s aid, like the class creep, whenever he is challenged, but I don’t need Swale’s approval anymore than he needs mine and I certainly don’t depend on his opinion, or anyone else’s, in order to form my own.

Now may I suggest you run along, put that big wooden spoon of yours away with the rest of your toys and begin to contribute like an adult.

[SithHappens]

Bit confusing though. Reform and certain Tories sell their politics on the basis Britain is being over run with foreigners and the 'white brits' are ar risk of becoming the minority. Farage himself has made claims that he is scared when travelling on trains and can't hear a English voice. We are told schools up and down the country have no white children and hospitals are awash with health care professionals who can't speak English.

Now Pochin says it makes her mad seeing so many black and asian people on TV, they are now telling us the reason that's wrong is because white people overwhelmingly make up the majority of people living in Britain.

Which is it? I'm confused.

[SithHappens]

For me the it's two different debates.

I am not a fan of so called quotas. I am of the belief its best person for the job. I still believe, even today more black or Asian people are likely to be overlooked for jobs than white people. This is anecdotal (sorry andy) but it is my belief.

The debate over Pochin is different because all she has done is taken a subject which is one that may have valid reasons for discussion and use it as a platform for her racism.

For me i cant see how anyone can defend her comments or even argue they aren't racist, but I can accept the underlying topic is one that at least is worthy of discussion, even if I dont personally have a problem with it.

[Andy_Faber]

For me the it's two different debates.

I am not a fan of so called quotas. I am of the belief its best person for the job. I still believe, even today more black or Asian people are likely to be overlooked for jobs than white people. This is anecdotal (sorry andy) but it is my belief.

The debate over Pochin is different because all she has done is taken a subject which is one that may have valid reasons for discussion and use it as a platform for her racism.

For me i cant see how anyone can defend her comments or even argue they aren't racist, but I can accept the underlying topic is one that at least is worthy of discussion, even if I dont personally have a problem with it.

It might be a short discussion because I agree with all of that!

I’ve come across and been victim of discrimination throughout my business career BUT it’s been by so many ‘factions’ on so many ‘factions’, waaaay more than just white v black, I’ve never been sure what the response should be other than to keep my own standards up.

[SithHappens]

It might be a short discussion because I agree with all of that!

I’ve come across and been victim of discrimination throughout my business career BUT it’s been by so many ‘factions’ on so many ‘factions’, waaaay more than just white v black, I’ve never been sure what the response should be other than to keep my own standards up.

I'm sorry you've had to experience that. I've been that position and it's not a good place to be as it's hard to find allies when that's happening (in my experience)

[Andy_Faber]

I'm sorry you've had to experience that. I've been that position and it's not a good place to be as it's hard to find allies when that's happening (in my experience)

Thanks, and yes that’s right

[SithHappens]

One point about her claim about disproportionate representation of minorities on TV. She is bang on.

Reform with just 5 MPs are an excellent example of minorities being disproportionately represented on TV