Cameron begs Putin to intervene in independence referendum

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David Cameron on the question of Scottish sovereignty "The Scottish people should pay close attention to what the Spanish Prime Minister has to say."

David Cameron on the question of Gibraltar sovereignty, "The Scottish people should pay no attention to what the Spanish Prime Minister has to say."

Double standards again Dave.

[Taintedice]

Never thought I'd see the day when the buns on here got intae bed wi' Commie Russia

Breaking news - Commie Russia ceased to exist about 20 years ago. Round about the last time Dundee had anything like a decent football team.[/quote]This fud is getting more desperate by the day, he's getting worse than the twins for making a c*nt of himself in the process, as well

It was actually the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics that collapsed 20 years ago, Russia is a country in itself. Moron.[/quote]

Sorry, my mistake, I'm obviously too much of a moron to know that it was the USSR that collapsed in the, which heralded the collapse of communism. Jow silly of me. I didn't realise that commie Russia was part of commie USSR, and the commie part of both collapsed at tha

[stewarty27]

Walter as a Scottish Unionist
your response please...

My response is that you make too many assumptions about my political position. For the record, I think of myself as a social liberal economically a mild socialist. I don't care who knows and your're free to criticise my vies if you want but please refrain from putting labels on me to suit your own political agenda. I don't wake up in the morning thinking of myself as a unionist, though I do want Scotland to stay in the British and European unions.

I don't want to make too many assumptions about your political leanings but you do sound to me like a extreme Scottish Nationalist, they type of nationalist that goes to bed only to recharge your visceral racist hatred of the English.[/quote]


Walter can't answer the points made to him, So he deflects and gets personal,He then display's a classic better together Unio

[celts]

Stay in the union folks...just look at the influence we hold!

Who Elects the British government?

The British do

[Macaroni_Pie]

Stay in the union folks...just look at the influence we hold!

You do realise that reflects the population split in the UK and little else?

[stewarty27]

I suppose we can argue all the major points and the finer points of Independence, When it comes down to it we are facing a choice of two futures, Either continue to be ruled by London or take control of our own affairs,

For me there is only one question. All the rest are red herrings.
Is Scotland a country?
Of course it is.
So therefore we should be governing ourselves not being ruled from another country, That is enough for me to vote YES.

[arab777]

You do realise that reflects the population split in the UK and little else?

and the fact Scotland has little say on who will be govern us. I cant think of many examples in the world where a country can vote for one party by a landslide and be governed by the party they rejected by a landslide.

[stewarty27]

If we vote NO we will c ontinue to get Tory Right wing Governments ruling us here in Scotland, Even if Labour get in they too will be very right wing they have to be to get elected !! for UK elections are won and LOST in London and the affuent SE of England,

The five counties of South-East England (Kent, Sus***, Surrey, Es*** and Greater London) are home to just under 14 million people, compared to the fractionally over 5 million of Scotland. Even if we take Greater London out of the equation, the other four still add up to a population a million higher than Scotland’s.

Those four counties voted so overwhelmingly Conservative in the 2010 general election that they returned 62 Tory MPs from 66 seats – enough Tories alone to outvote the entire bloc of Scottish MPs of all parties (which will soon be even smaller, falling from 59 to just 52). Greater London, despite its large concentration of extremely poor urban areas, still returned another 28 Tories, along with 38 Labour and 7 Lib D

[scoobydhoo1]

Scotland is either a country or a province of England/Britain.

Scotland doesn't deserve the title of being a country if it has to still be babysat by mother England.

[Macaroni_Pie]

You do realise that reflects the population split in the UK and little else?

and the fact Scotland has little say on who will be govern us. I cant think of many examples in the world where a country can vote for one party by a landslide and be governed by the party they rejected by a landslide.[/quote]

But where do you draw the line with this rationale? Aberdeen (for example) has a population of about 5% of the Scottish population as a whole - presumably if Hollyrood doesn't reflect precisely the opinion of the Aberdonian electorate, Aberdeen should demand autonomy? Likewise if the opinion of Bridge of Don isn't reflected by the general consensus of Aberdonians, they in turn should expect autonomy?