Bristol city (away)predictions

[robinrover]

I don't think saxo was lauding the use of Chris Brown just purely that his use of him was at the right time
that is the point I was trying to get across
Gary bowyer didn't seem to have the courage to make the changes he seemed all to keen to hang on to what he has rather than go for broke.

[AucklandRover]

Let's put it another way then Auks. What makes a manager 'better' than another? For me it's a guy's ability to create systems for the players he has to maximize their performance in. Also his 'man-management' skills.
The bonuses for any manager are obviously the amount of naturally talented players he has. The first two, I think, Lambert is already proving he is better at than GB.
Lambert is better at recognizing what needs to be done within this squad.

To be honest, Davhor, I think there's an element of people seeing what they want to see. Time and again, I have made the point that, this season, Bowyer had actually dealt with many of the things he had been criticised for, and that most of our lost points since August have been the result of things beyond his control (poor refereeing; terrible finishing; etc). Now, this hasn't suited the picture that most posters have wanted to present, so it has been largely ignored.
I have a

[AucklandRover]

I don't think saxo was lauding the use of Chris Brown just purely that his use of him was at the right time
that is the point I was trying to get across
Gary Bowyer didn't seem to have the courage to make the changes he seemed all to keen to hang on to what he has rather than go for broke.

Robin - you and I can usually find common ground, but we'll have to agree to differ here. I just don't think that criticism (of just wanting to hang on) has been true of Bowyer for most of this season. You watched the Burnley game: we attacked throughout. The same against Derby, Hull, Leeds and Ipswich. And what about the swag of easy chances missed by Duffy alone? Then there was the absolutely brilliant last-minute save by the Brentford keeper in GB's last game.
I don't think we should be distorting the facts to try and support the case that Bowyer had not changed ANYTHING.
The case for his going was strong (based on his long-term record),

[robinrover]

He was unlucky this season and performances merited so much more than the points tally
but as we have discussed many times before it is a results business and if your luck is out then more often than not your time is up
but this is taking away from what we were talking about bowyer really didn't like changing things and would seem to settle for the result rather than go for the win
now I am not denying the fact that we were unlucky in the above games however there have been moments that a point has been settled with 20 minutes left to play
the brum game was a prime example I was bored witless and he could of changed things on the hour mark and really gone for the jugular as they were there for the taking
instead almost the 80th minute before a change was made which by then everybody had lost interest
too many draws as highlighted by Lambert himself
Gary bowyer loved a good draw
we didn't lose so that's ok but sometimes you need to push forward for the win not just settle

[AucklandRover]

[quote="robinrover"]He was unlucky this season and performances merited so much more than the points tally
but as we have discussed many times before it is a results business and if your luck is out then more often than not your time is up
but this is taking away from what we were talking about bowyer really didn't like changing things and would seem to settle for the result rather than go for the win
now I am not denying the fact that we were unlucky in the above games however there have been moments that a point has been settled with 20 minutes left to play
the brum game was a prime example I was bored witless and he could of changed things on the hour mark and really gone for the jugular as they were there for the taking
instead almost the 80th minute before a change was made which by then everybody had lost interest
too many draws as highlighted by Lambert himself
Gary bowyer loved a good draw
we didn't lose so that's ok but sometimes you nee

[Despair]

Aucks, I come in peace, honest

Fact is (deluded or otherwise), the major proportion of the watching support felt that what was being produced did not look likely to have moved us to where we needed to be. Or at least at the pace our need required.
Whether that would have proved unjustified in the course of events (under his retention) we'll never know.
But more importantly, the powers that be seem to have viewed it the same way. They, and/or their 'advisor' could also be seen as deluded I suppose.
Matters not now, the decision was made, but its a little too early to claim the right decision was made, that will take a few more months.
Its a shame we can't employ the same technology of say the ski events, where you can match off 'man a' against 'man b' and see just where either gain or lose from start to finish.
I can recognise GB went some way beyond the stabilising, but for me he was not making the sufficient advances the club desperately needs.

Just my opinion, but t

[jordan12rhodes]

Let's speak the truth here aucks. You believe bowyer was capable of the last 3 results if he had been given more time. That's what your getting at.

[AucklandRover]

Let's speak the truth here aucks. You believe bowyer was capable of the last 3 results if he had been given more time. That's what your getting at.

Yes, I think I do believe that. As I have said, nothing major has changed in those games - except our luck. Even those who have watched all three do not claim there has been a sudden dramatic improvement in our play.

[jordan12rhodes]

Let's speak the truth here aucks. You believe bowyer was capable of the last 3 results if he had been given more time. That's what your getting at.

Yes, I think I do believe that. As I have said, nothing major has changed in those games - except our luck. Even those who have watched all three do not claim there has been a sudden dramatic improvement in our play.[/quote]


Thought so. I disagree. Can we end this now and stop dragging up GB all the time? He's gone and ain't coming back, just like big Sam ain't.

[AucklandRover]

[quote="Despair"]Aucks, I come in peace, honest

Fact is (deluded or otherwise), the major proportion of the watching support felt that what was being produced did not look likely to have moved us to where we needed to be. Or at least at the pace our need required.
Whether that would have proved unjustified in the course of events (under his retention) we'll never know.
But more importantly, the powers that be seem to have viewed it the same way. They, and/or their 'advisor' could also be seen as deluded I suppose.
Matters not now, the decision was made, but its a little too early to claim the right decision was made, that will take a few more months.
Its a shame we can't employ the same technology of say the ski events, where you can match off 'man a' against 'man b' and see just where either gain or lose from start to finish.
I can recognise GB went some way beyond the stabilising, but for me he was not making the sufficient advances the club de