O/T RIP ChesterBenningtom

[SolSigns]

No, for obvious reasons.

It's well documented that the right type of mental stimulation and a high level of physical activity on a regular basis both release endorphins which can reduce the likelihood of depression. In contrast, it is also known that long spells of inactivity, such as long-term unemployment for example, can greatly increase a person's susceptibility to depression.

I think the point optipez was making is that the so-called "rock and roll" lifestyle isn't the healthiest in many ways and could increase the chances of depression for those susceptible to it, compared with other lifestyles based around more solid routines and healthier living.

There's no doubt that healthy living can help people become more healthy, but treatment for depression is far more complex than just abstinence, vegetables and exercise. Don't you think 'they' would have cured the estimated 350 million people who suffer from depression worldwide if it was as easy as that?

Like the people who tell sufferers to just 'cheer up', you're still blaming the sufferer for their illness by saying their depression is a direct result of their lifestyle choices. Depression can be exacerbated by lifestyle, but the causes are often entirely unrelated.

You talk about "likelihood of depression" and "chances of depression", but it appears that CB was well beyond likelihood and chances. Clean living, without dealing with the causes of someone's depression, is unlikely to change the long term prognosis.

[AltyPie]

Another interesting thread that seems to have got into looking at the difference between the consequences of mental illness and pdofilia.
My 1st instincts would be:

Severe mental illness can be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain that leads to depression and feelings that suicide is the only way out and therefore very poor decisions that sometimes lead to death. The inability to be able to prioritise empathy for ones kids over the worthlessness one feels as a result of the illness, is presumably one reason why a suicide can result. It's not that these people don't care about their kids, it's just that their illness has made them do something that looks heartless/selfish. Maybe that's not that well put, but maybe as a comparison, my Dad had alzheimer's. He did some things that a "normally sane" person would not have done. Perhaps the mental illness that leads to suicide can be thought of like this. I think most people would have sympathy for a person with alzheimer's no matter what they were doing.

Pdofilia on the other hand... I'm not so sure I have sympathy with this being classed as a mental illness. One way to see this is that, in the way that a hetero male is attracted to women, a pdo male is attracted to children. It's simply an aberration of nature with all other faculties, including brain function, being normal. In this way, the pdo has the capacity to realise that to act out the ***ual desires which nature has unfortunately given them, is morally wrong. If this analysis is right (and I'm no psychologist so could be way off I accept) there's less reason to feel the same sympathy for a pdo than for a person with mental illness who kills themselves.

[jackal2]

1. There's no doubt that healthy living can help people become more healthy, but treatment for depression is far more complex than just abstinence, vegetables and exercise. Don't you think 'they' would have cured the estimated 350 million people who suffer from depression worldwide if it was as easy as that?

2. Like the people who tell sufferers to just 'cheer up', you're still blaming the sufferer for their illness by saying their depression is a direct result of their lifestyle choices. Depression can be exacerbated by lifestyle, but the causes are often entirely unrelated.

3. You talk about "likelihood of depression" and "chances of depression", but it appears that CB was well beyond likelihood and chances. Clean living, without dealing with the causes of someone's depression, is unlikely to change the long term prognosis.

1. I never said depression was as simple as that. I was just responding to optipez's suggestion that a healthy, routine-led lifestyle is probably more likely to keep you on an even keel than the rock and roll lifestyle characterised by unpredictable hours, the manic highs of performance interspersed with the dull grind of touring and inactive periods of excessive introspection, and the drug and alcohol culture which so often fills such voids.



2. No I'm not. I said in an earlier post on this thread that telling someone who is depressed to just 'cheer up' was the worst possible think to do.

3. I don't dispute that, and as a Linkin Park fan I'm very sad about what has happened to CB. However, I do think there is a degree of truth in Vlad's observation that - whilst empathising with a person affected by the horror of depression - you cannot entirely absolve someone who does an act which deprives their six children of a father. The degree of responsibility may be open to debate, but some responsibility must exist.

[SolSigns]

People wouldn't say a paraplegic is irresponsible for not being able to rescue their kids from a burning building, they would probably be very sympathetic to him. Just because mental illness isn't visible/physical, doesn't necessarily mean that sufferers' capacity to behave responsibly is any different.

I agree that it's very sad. That's the point I'd stress rather than Vlad's emphasis on the man's failings.

[The-Mac pie]

Gosh !
No one would need some of you looking after them if they were ill.

[sidders]

I think it's good that Notts MAD 'goes off on one' with freds like this one although some posters' inputs merit a severe handpalm.
I wonder how many of you have read Matt Haig's book about depression - 'Reasons to Live' I think it's called. The medical profession regards it as one of the best books of its kind. It's jargon-free and helps you see things through a depressive's perspective.
Mr Haig was a pupil at my own school - Thomas Magnus at Newark - and is an established best-selling author.
How sad that people still see suicide as a sign of weakness. The only sign associated with it is desperation. The psyche closes down and loses the ability to think in a balanced manner, which is why coroners talk about 'taking one's life when the balance of one's mind' was disturbed.
And in its usual conflated style, this fred goes on to make comparison with peadpophilia, which is a condition, NOT an illness. Illnesses usually have a hope of being cured whereas the best a peadophile can hope for is self-control because the condition is a personality disorder created by many factors in a person's upbringing.

PS the mis-spelling is intentional so that the word can be recognised.

[Vladpie]

Gosh !
No one would need some of you looking after them if they were ill.

Not sure I'd want anyone looking after me who said 'Gosh'

[Vladpie]

Pdofilia on the other hand... I'm not so sure I have sympathy with this being classed as a mental illness. One way to see this is that, in the way that a hetero male is attracted to women, a pdo male is attracted to children. It's simply an aberration of nature with all other faculties, including brain function, being normal. In this way, the pdo has the capacity to realise that to act out the ***ual desires which nature has unfortunately given them, is morally wrong. If this analysis is right (and I'm no psychologist so could be way off I accept) there's less reason to feel the same sympathy for a pdo than for a person with mental illness who kills themselves.

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[Vladpie]

We were talking about sympathy for Chester Bennington, what does sympathy for pedophiles have to do with the price of bread?

Returning to my earlier analogy of the man in a crocodile infested river or lake, for Chester Bennington and his ilk, the crocodile in the water is drink and drugs but they still swim with them knowing the dangers to their mental health, may as well swim with Crocodiles.

[Vladpie]

peadpophilia, which is a condition, NOT an illness. Illnesses usually have a hope of being cured whereas the best a peadophile can hope for is self-control because the condition is a personality disorder created by many factors in a person's upbringing.
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