Fracking - for or against?

[oldcolner]

More on the great renewables scam,

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...t-you-to-know/

Good find Sinkov
Interesting Germany still gets much of its electric from coal fired stations - how did they manage that.
Seems we implement EU directives and the others cherry pick.

[sinkov]

Christopher Booker in the Telegraph on the green energy scam. Please note it's Mr Booker who says our energy policy is insane, not me.

The true cost of wind power
MPs arriving at Westminster Tube station have lately been presented with a huge advertisement claiming that the cost of electricity from offshore wind farms has been cut by “50 per cent over the past five years”. Despite the fact that this was paid for by various green lobbyists, including Greenpeace, the WWF and foreign-based owners of offshore wind farms, it seems from comments by MPs, the BBC, journalists and even our energy minister Claire Perry, that they all believe this boast.
But The Global Warming Policy Foundation has complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that the poster could hardly be more outrageously misleading. It is based only on figures relating to two offshore wind farms that haven’t even been built yet and possibly never will be.
The official data, expertly analysed by Paul Homewood on his blog, Notalotofpeopleknowthat, show that last year we were all paying for offshore electricity through our household bills at nearly three times the going market rate, including subsidies of £1.4 billion. And this is still soaring so fast that, by 2021, we will be paying £3.1 billion a year for offshore wind energy, equating to £115 for every household in the land.
The Government may be babbling on about putting “a cap” on electricity bills. But nothing is pushing up those bills faster than its own ever-more-insane “green” energy policies.*
That people are allowed to hide this from us – and delude those gullible MPs into the bargain – is indeed outrageous.

[1959_60]

Why use data from a hack from the Telegraph when you can use proper data?

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ost_Report.pdf

It is a long read so I have put the figures below for commissioning a generator to come on line in 2025. Costs per MWH for several options. My favourite, tidal power, is not included because it is still in development stage.

Nuclear £95/MWH
Coal (Dirty) £136/MWH
Coal (carbon capture) £148/MWH
Clean gas turbine £189/MWH
Dirty gas turbine £110/MWH
Offshore wind £100/MWH
Onshore wind £61/MWH
Solar £63/MWH

[Altobelli]

Any data with a link including gov and or government wants throwing in the shredder

Evening 59_60

[1959_60]

Evening Alto!

We have to get our data from somewhere though - otherwise we really are in the dark (pun not intended)

[Altobelli]

Agree, but numbers can and are manipulated by all Governments to fit their agenda, like the unemployed and NHS just to name 2, you may say I'm pessimistic but past fiddling of these figures cannot be forgotten, maybe by the cheats and liars that adjust them but not the rest.

[outwoodclaret]

Fracking in Britain? No

[sinkov]

I've had a look through that report 59-60, they give the game away immediately in the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of the intro,

"The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) regularly updates estimates of the costs and technical specifications for different generation technologies used in its analysis (these were previously published by the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC)). Cost data is broken down into detailed expenditure per MW capacity or MWh generation for the full lifetime1 of a plant including planning costs, construction costs, operating costs, and carbon costs.
During 2015, DECC undertook several major updates to the assumptions that underlie its levelised cost analysis."

The whole report is awash with words like 'assumptions', 'assumes', 'uncertainties'. Looks like the Ministry of Guesswork has been working overtime again.

[1959_60]

Maybe Sinkov, but find me a more credible source!