In January..........

[FatherKnowsBest]

...The whole point of getting Robson in was to further the brand, and by extension his own business interests... .

Terry Robinson was the one who pushed Robson. McCabes mistake was listening to him and being sold the idea. I think the one making the 'extension' is you.

Bearing in mind that Scarborough group is far larger, better known and more powerful in those circles that matter than little SUFC. I have to ask again, how is the club being compromised by him mentioning the club as a sidebar to Scarboroughs interests, as you suggest?

[Holden_C]

We might have disappeared in a puff of smoke too...




I hear this quite often, but after his Chengdu/Fradi thing was dropped, what bit of his activities in the last 10 years constitute 'furthering his business interests at the expense of SUFC', do you feel..?

Neither of those deals cost the FC anything. McCabe swallowed them via the old Plc set up and covered them with hard cash.

Bloody facts.

[Carpe_diem]

Neither of those deals cost the FC anything. McCabe swallowed them via the old Plc set up and covered them with hard cash.

Bloody facts.

In financial terms, perhaps not. In terms of the fact that we weren't being managed properly because our Glorious Leader was busy trying to expand his empire, definitely.

And now, what does the club own? Not the stadium, nor the academy. In what way are we better off for McC's involvement since he took over?

[Holden_C]

Why is it that anyone who suggests that the club could be run better has 'easy this running a football club' lark levelled at them?

I know it's not easy. I couldn't do it, but I wouldn't have the arrogance to assume that I could.

You make a fair point about Robinson and Birch, but again, they were his appointments. Birch had seen some small success at Derby, although he's really an administrator rather than a football chairman, and where did Turry come from? What was his pedigree?

Also to answer FKB's point, yes - we might have disappeared in a puff of smoke, although evidence from other clubs (Leeds, Pompey, et al) would suggest not. It's only the tiny clubs that tend to disappear - it might have been that we'd have been a more attractive purchase for someone else if we'd have been on our uppers.

The whole point of getting Robson in was to further the brand, and by extension his own business interests. The fact that his strategy of bringing in a 'name' and then buying or linking with other clubs to build on that brand failed utterly explains a lot about why it's not so publicised now, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when he's extolling the virtues of Scarborough Group the football club gets mentioned as well.

Robinson had been in football for a while including chairman at Bury and had good contacts in the North West. He was the one who chose Robson. I'm sure McCabe thought having an ex England captain in situ would help the club in football terms but wouldn't help in laying bricks for Chinese Deoartment stores. It was fairly obvious that after suggesting McCabe should have appointed football men as advisors you would criticise the two he did, with hindsight of course.

Birch is a football specialist. He had a bit of "success" in a certain takeover at Chelsea.

Both appointments didn't work, rather like the Hussey signing in fact.

[Holden_C]

In financial terms, perhaps not. In terms of the fact that we weren't being managed properly because our Glorious Leader was busy trying to expand his empire, definitely.

And now, what does the club own? Not the stadium, nor the academy. In what way are we better off for McC's involvement since he took over?

He did what you suggested above. Brought in a "football man" as chairman. Now you seem to be saying that despite handing the day to day running over, he himself should have managed things better?

McCabe owned everything before anyway, by virtue of his huge majority sharehokding. It's a straw man argument that has no basis in fact.

Well we have an academy producing players. Are you've going to swallows Warnocks nonsense claim that it was all his baby?

[Carpe_diem]

He did what you suggested above. Brought in a "football man" as chairman. Now you seem to be saying that despite handing the day to day running over, he himself should have managed things better?

McCabe owned everything before anyway, by virtue of his huge majority sharehokding. It's a straw man argument that has no basis in fact.

Well we have an academy producing players. Are you've going to swallows Warnocks nonsense claim that it was all his baby?

I can't be arsed to get into a pointless argument with you, Holden. You have your opinions, I have mine. I know you like arguing and trying to prove your intellectual superiority, but it's not my idea of a good time.

[Longshortandtall]

Putting the history of McCabes failures to one side, of which there are many, the issue is what is he going to do now if we remain in play off contention. He has recently said that we should consolidate and aim for the premiership in the next 5 years. This frugal approach doesn't sit with the philosophy of Wilder who wants to go for the jugular and we run the risk of losing him if he continues to out perform expectations.

It seems we are currently financially structured as a mid to bottom end championship club. To move up to the next level, play off contenders, there will need to be a financial investment in wages, improved contracts and player purchases. The plan would suggest that is in two years time not in January. Is McCabe hoping lightning does strike twice in the same place and we become a Huddersfield? Do we have any other contingency plan if performance exceeds expectations? What is the Princes financial input in all this?

We will know the answer on 31 January. Brooks may be used to finance us getting to the next level quicker than anticipated. Some would argue that is a step too far and confirms McCabes same owd inability to bring investment into the club continuing to use player sales as the main financial strategy. Others will argue it is a necessary step for progression.

If we do sell Brooks it has to be for silly money and that is usually thrown around in the January transfer window. We don't do silly money though do we. Logic dictates we wait until the summer for him to move on but if we were offered in excess of £5 million for him would we bite? They say a leopard never changes its spots, we shall see.

[rodcurrie]

Putting the history of McCabes failures to one side, of which there are many, the issue is what is he going to do now if we remain in play off contention. He has recently said that we should consolidate and aim for the premiership in the next 5 years. This frugal approach doesn't sit with the philosophy of Wilder who wants to go for the jugular and we run the risk of losing him if he continues to out perform expectations.

It seems we are currently financially structured as a mid to bottom end championship club. To move up to the next level, play off contenders, there will need to be a financial investment in wages, improved contracts and player purchases. The plan would suggest that is in two years time not in January. Is McCabe hoping lightning does strike twice in the same place and we become a Huddersfield? Do we have any other contingency plan if performance exceeds expectations? What is the Princes financial input in all this?

We will know the answer on 31 January. Brooks may be used to finance us getting to the next level quicker than anticipated. Some would argue that is a step too far and confirms McCabes same owd inability to bring investment into the club continuing to use player sales as the main financial strategy. Others will argue it is a necessary step for progression.

If we do sell Brooks it has to be for silly money and that is usually thrown around in the January transfer window. We don't do silly money though do we. Logic dictates we wait until the summer for him to move on but if we were offered in excess of £5 million for him would we bite? They say a leopard never changes its spots, we shall see.

Over to Marvin/Holden to answer mi thinks.UTCB

[Holden_C]

I can't be arsed to get into a pointless argument with you, Holden. You have your opinions, I have mine. I know you like arguing and trying to prove your intellectual superiority, but it's not my idea of a good time.

You're in a circular argument with yourself not me. You said he should have appointed football men with more expertise than him, forgetting he did and then , accuse him of not managing properly.

It's not about any intellectual superiority it's about facts. Your posts in this thread contain mainly opinion and erroneous opinions at that, rather than actualities, repeating claims that have been poo pooed many times.

Facts are always an issue for those who have long standing agendas based on what they like to believe happened rather than what did and are usually the reason posters back out of debate, leaving only a few minor insults as residue.

[Holden_C]

Oh my hands straight up to say I would't have a f3rkin clue Aya.

Very few of us would. If any on here.

Take the " running a football club isn't like running any other business". Of course it is. It's still all about the bottom line. Hit it, miss and pump money in to keep it going or go bust. It's still a multi million pound enterprise.