OT Why has the Labour party sold its soul?

[BigLadonOS]

Well you certainly got the inevitable.

MMM and raging exercising their unswerving loyalty to Corbyn - the former lashing out wildly, the latter carefully rewriting history and putting on a few coats of Momentum issue whitewash. Biggie and Easy and Early being – well - Biggie and Easy and Early.

I think Biggie might be a leaver.

Come on lads, I have occasionally taken part in a politics thread, but this is a football site and you are getting boring. Can’t you just agree that you have ground out a dull no score draw?

At least you have put a smile on my face Kerr

[ragingpup]

Well you certainly got the inevitable.

MMM and raging exercising their unswerving loyalty to Corbyn - the former lashing out wildly, the latter carefully rewriting history and putting on a few coats of Momentum issue whitewash. Biggie and Easy and Early being – well - Biggie and Easy and Early.

I think Biggie might be a leaver.

Come on lads, I have occasionally taken part in a politics thread, but this is a football site and you are getting boring. Can’t you just agree that you have ground out a dull no score draw?

Come off it Kerrface - you know as well as all of us that as soon as anyone once again promotes an economic policy that isn't just about tax cuts and trickle downs, despite it being an argument you've run through us all 80 squillion times, you'll be onto them faster than Towner's twinkly boots!

[millmoormagic]

So how would you re-nationalise them if you're in the EU?

Not possible under articles 106 and 176 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

We're leaving arent we? Wake up GF, there's been a vote and all that, 31 Oct isn't it......

[millmoormagic]

Corbyn is unelectable, and therefore on borrowed time, the Blairites haven't gone away and will be back in charge very soon.

Corbyn as an MP for Islington is more metro elite than you're making out anyway.

That's entirely irrelevant, we don't know that either way until there's an election, when was your boy Boris elected exactly??

Whether Corbyn is a metro elite is also irrelevant, if he got elected and made good the manifesto this country would be in a fine position for it's people, making it a much fairer place. Keep the blinkers on flower while you're getting thoroughly shafted by Boris at al.

[millmoormagic]

Could't be closer to it's roots and soul right now than it ever was under Blair, fact.

You are of course correct in that it is miles away from the Blair years but for gods sake mm do not make the mistake of thinking that the Labour party gives a flying **** about the working class mate because those years are well and truly over buddy even under the sell out Corbyn.

Corbyn is saying that he wants to re-nationalise the steel industry etc but yet they are now backing remain if a 2nd referendum is called so could you please explain to me how they would do that inside the EU when EU laws forbid it.

You're posting from a brexit point of view though, and to be frank I've never really given much thought to politics over the yeÃ*rs other than casting my vote every election...
Along came Corbyn, now I've always been a tad militant, always favoured unions etc etc, but Corbyn is different, your brexit shades are stopping you from seeing it. If you think a Corbyn led party is only motivated by money you really are mixed up mate, you really are.

[BigLadonOS]

You're posting from a brexit point of view though, and to be frank I've never really given much thought to politics over the yeÃ*rs other than casting my vote every election...
Along came Corbyn, now I've always been a tad militant, always favoured unions etc etc, but Corbyn is different, your brexit shades are stopping you from seeing it. If you think a Corbyn led party is only motivated by money you really are mixed up mate, you really are.

PMSL. You have to be joking me mate honestly you do not have a clue buddy.

Corbyn grew up in a middle class family and has never had a job outside of politics. He has never ever felt what it is to be working class or lived in a working class environment. If you want to know just how much he represents the working class man just go looking online for any speech or article where he tells us that he is indeed for the working class as apposed to what he considers to be working class.

[millmoormagic]

PMSL. You have to be joking me mate honestly you do not have a clue buddy.

Corbyn grew up in a middle class family and has never had a job outside of politics. He has never ever felt what it is to be working class or lived in a working class environment. If you want to know just how much he represents the working class man just go looking online for any speech or article where he tells us that he is indeed for the working class as apposed to what he considers to be working class.

I've never ever denied Corbyn's roots, why would I? What do you want from a labour leader then, what is your start point, you don't have to be a binman to want social equality, you don't have to be a miner to want services that will suit you and the broader general public, your argument's a bit weak I'm afraid fella.

[BigLadonOS]

I've never ever denied Corbyn's roots, why would I? What do you want from a labour leader then, what is your start point, you don't have to be a binman to want social equality, you don't have to be a miner to want services that will suit you and the broader general public, your argument's a bit weak I'm afraid fella.

My argument is that in his head the working class represent lower middle classes because he knows **** all about bricklayers or coal miners etc. What me and you call working class is alien to Corbyn.

The Labour party membership is well over 75% middle class and that is who Corbyn sees as working class mate can you not see that?

He speaks at loads and loads of universities to the young millenniums but when did you last see him talk in a real working class environment?

Look at his cabinet for a start! They are all from a university background with BM's in this that and the other which we all know is very working class.

[rolymiller]

My argument is that in his head the working class represent lower middle classes because he knows **** all about bricklayers or coal miners etc. What me and you call working class is alien to Corbyn.

The Labour party membership is well over 75% middle class and that is who Corbyn sees as working class mate can you not see that?

He speaks at loads and loads of universities to the young millenniums but when did you last see him talk in a real working class environment?

Look at his cabinet for a start! They are all from a university background with BM's in this that and the other which we all know is very working class.

Corbyn has stood on picket lines and campaigned on a lot of causes for the working classes big lad. The working classes dont give a shyte about his background as long as he is delivering for the working classes. Are you saying only people from a working class background can do owt for poor people.

[millmoormagic]

My argument is that in his head the working class represent lower middle classes because he knows **** all about bricklayers or coal miners etc. What me and you call working class is alien to Corbyn.

The Labour party membership is well over 75% middle class and that is who Corbyn sees as working class mate can you not see that?

He speaks at loads and loads of universities to the young millenniums but when did you last see him talk in a real working class environment?

Look at his cabinet for a start! They are all from a university background with BM's in this that and the other which we all know is very working class.

Like i said, your argument is weak, at just about every protest over the last 30 odd years he's been there, he was there during the miners strike, he was there during the anti nuclear protests, he was there during the anti Iraq war protests, more recently he has offered support to the MacDonald strikers the anti frackers etc etc etc.
You will also find that many folk have been to uni these days, what's wrong with that exactly, are you anti education or what?