BOJO. The end.

[sinkov]

I'm sorry, but the real Establishment is Rees-Mogg, Boris, Gove, Cash and their ERG acolytes.

They,along with their mates, will make £££ out of a no deal. Surely you can see their real purpose.

No I can't 59, because the Brexiteers wanted to negotiate a trade deal alongside the WA, it was the EU that said no, and our Remain PM who went along with it and told Davis to back down, so no trade deal discussions until after we've left. Leaving without a trade deal in place is the exact opposite of what the Brexiteers wanted, but we're in this situation because of the EU and Remoan politicians and civil servants in this country. On the WA, the EU and May have failed to come up with a deal anyone in the UK can agree to, that's not the ERG's fault, they had no input to it whatsoever, and if we can't agree on a WA we leave without one, again this has nothing to do with the ERG or Brexiteers, it's what the EU's Treaty of Rome Article 50 says. So if you don't like it, have a word with your chum Mr Verhofstadt, it's the EU wot says we leave without a deal, not the Brexiteers.

[sinkov]

Spot on sinkov. Fancy a job in the House of Commons?

Not really BT, don't think I could stand the stench.

[alfinyalcabo]

Maybe the EU will see sense and tell us to leave ASAP. They must have had enough of the shenanigans by now..

[1959_60]

"You ask what Parliament can do now. Well, they will be able to act if Boris tries any dodgy stuff"

That's illogical, if Parliament is prorogued Boris can't try any dodgy stuff, so you want an end to prorogation so you can stop him doing stuff he couldn't do if Parliament was prorogued. Sometimes I can see why you're a LibDem mon ami.[/QUOTE]

Do you know what the impact of prorogation actually means Sinkov?

Parliament (both houses and all it's committees) are closed down. Bills that were going through are simply lost. And Boris wanted this to be the case for five weeks at a crucial time. Other stuff was (and is now since they have returned) happening.
If Parliament was prorogued then the Government can still make decisions - but these decisions are not subject to scrutiny. I'm sorry, but most of Parliament do not trust Boris enough to give him this unfettered power - especially in the run up to 31st October.

Here is what it actually means...

"While Parliament is prorogued, neither House can meet, debate and pass legislation.
Neither House can debate Government policy. Nor may members of either House
ask written or oral questions of Ministers. They may not meet and take evidence in
committees. In general, Bills which have not yet completed all their stages are lost
and will have to start again from scratch in the next session of Parliament. In certain
circumstances, individual Bills may be “carried over” into the next session and pick
up where they left off. The Government remains in office and can exercise its powers
to make delegated legislation and bring it into force. It may also exercise all the
other powers which the law permits."


If anyone is interested I'll put the full court ruling up.

[Vintage Claret]

The people voted to leave the EU in that distant referendum, although by a very slender majority. So the government of the day had a duty to implement that vote.

Some people think that during the referendum campaign the public was not aware of the consequences of leaving the EU whether they were positive or negative consequences.

As it appears there is going to be no agreement between the government and parliament on the terms of leaving the EU. I would suggest that before the 31st October 2019 that the government and parliament should agree to make public in plain English what the consequences are for the three possible scenarios
a) Leave with an agreed deal.
b) Leave with no deal.
c) Remain in the EU if it is of benefit to the UK.

We can then have a second referendum for the people to decide which option they consider best for the UK. The deal presented by Mrs. May appeared leave the UK in a worse position than we are currently in as member of the EU.

It is not necessary to hold a general election there are some important issues affecting our country other than Bexit and we should not be asked to elect a government based on a single issue.

I am not affiliated with any political party, but I do believe that three of the government minister Mogg, Cox and Johnson have shown complete contempt for parliamentary democracy.

[1959_60]

The people voted to leave the EU in that distant referendum, although by a very slender majority. So the government of the day had a duty to implement that vote.

Some people think that during the referendum campaign the public was not aware of the consequences of leaving the EU whether they were positive or negative consequences.

As it appears there is going to be no agreement between the government and parliament on the terms of leaving the EU. I would suggest that before the 31st October 2019 that the government and parliament should agree to make public in plain English what the consequences are for the three possible scenarios
a) Leave with an agreed deal.
b) Leave with no deal.
c) Remain in the EU if it is of benefit to the UK.

We can then have a second referendum for the people to decide which option they consider best for the UK. The deal presented by Mrs. May appeared leave the UK in a worse position than we are currently in as member of the EU.

It is not necessary to hold a general election there are some important issues affecting our country other than Bexit and we should not be asked to elect a government based on a single issue.

I am not affiliated with any political party, but I do believe that three of the government minister Mogg, Cox and Johnson have shown complete contempt for parliamentary democracy.

Great idea Vintage. The Lib Dems have been pushing for a second referendum for over three years.

But to ask Parliament to put the full facts, with evidence, to the people is a forlorn hope.

It is clear that so many people are so entrenched in their views that they are unwilling to accept evidence and advise from any "expert".
If, as a result of putting out the pro's and con's of leaving/remaining, it is obvious that one course of action is vastly more preferable than the other, the other side will simply not accept it as good advice and simply call it "project fear" or "project Unicorn".

But without doubt, the people will decide in the end, be it a second vote or a General Election.
I just think that a General Election will produce another hung Parliament who will not be able to resolve it.

Second vote it is then- but this Parliament will never agree to holding one.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Boris couldn't stand the heat so he simply left the kitchen...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...ily_newsletter

[sinkov]

"Do you know what the impact of prorogation actually means Sinkov?

Parliament (both houses and all it's committees) are closed down. Bills that were going through are simply lost. And Boris wanted this to be the case for five weeks at a crucial time. Other stuff was (and is now since they have returned) happening.
If Parliament was prorogued then the Government can still make decisions - but these decisions are not subject to scrutiny. I'm sorry, but most of Parliament do not trust Boris enough to give him this unfettered power - especially in the run up to 31st October.

Here is what it actually means...

"While Parliament is prorogued, neither House can meet, debate and pass legislation.
Neither House can debate Government policy. Nor may members of either House
ask written or oral questions of Ministers. They may not meet and take evidence in
committees. In general, Bills which have not yet completed all their stages are lost
and will have to start again from scratch in the next session of Parliament. In certain
circumstances, individual Bills may be “carried over” into the next session and pick
up where they left off. The Government remains in office and can exercise its powers
to make delegated legislation and bring it into force. It may also exercise all the
other powers which the law permits."


If anyone is interested I'll put the full court ruling up."

Just to put it into perspective 59, in 2018 between 24 July and 9 October the house was in session only from the 4th to 13th September. The rest of the time it was closed for business as our MPs took a six week summer break and a three week break for the Conference season. So Boris shuts it down to give them an extra four days holiday this year and they're hysterical, foaming at the mouth. Methinks they do protest too much.

They didn't seem too concerned about doing feck all for nine weeks at this time last year, so why is doing feck all for nine weeks and four days such an outrage this year ?

[1959_60]

Sinkov, you need to know the difference between prorogation and a normal recess.

Basically during a recess the houses do not sit but the everyday work of the committees continue.

During prorogation the entire machinery shuts down lock stock and barrel and all business not completed (there are some exceptions) are lost. During this time the Government is still able to Govern and to enact laws where necessary but without scrutiny or debate.
Basically the whole session of Parliament ends until we have a Queens speech and a new set of objectives.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ing-parliament

The question is WHY did he completely shut Parliament down for five weeks? It had nothing to do with the conference season - this recess would have been voted through by Parliament as usual.

Did you not smell a rat? Or do you think it was the right thing to do at this crucial period in the countries history?

You obviously are a big admirer of Boris and it seems that he can do no wrong in your eyes. And there are a disturbing number of people who share your views.

My view is that he is a disaster for Britain and is not fit for the job. He is very obviously modelling himself on The Donald who also attracted a similar kind of voter.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BoJo is now dead to me. Once a person is cruel enough to mention a murdered Labour MP to score a political point you are finished. The lukewarm Labour MP's are now firmly behind Corbyn. BoJo is dead. A new day is dawning.

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