O/T Straw poll

[mellowmiller]

The Brexit Party may have a genuine chance of getting a few seats although the Labour majorities are so high it will still be difficult, especially if the Tories still put up candidates in all seats as usual.

Yes it will add a bit of interest if the Brexit party do put up candidates in our local constituencies particularly if the Conservatives agree not to oppose them. I'll be surprised if that's what happens though so expect the planks to get elected again 🙁.

[Silly-miller]

1. The Rotherham constituencies do not reflect what goes off in ALL Labour constituencies.

No but they are supposed to represent their constituency’s

2, Whatever you think of Labour, if you have previously voted Labour because you see them as representing you as a working class bloke why then suddenly vote Tory or Brexit and think they will suddenly represent working class people. They won't and never will. To think differently is naive at the best...

Oh I agree but to say labour are representing the working class is a joke too, in my eyes the only way to get labour back to working class is for them to be given a shock, even if it just happens once I’d be happy 100 years of labour isn’t a great incentive for them to care about us.

3. The Labour party at parliamentary level was not responsible for child abuse in Rotherham.

No but labour council was and last time I checked labour was still labour

3.b If the tories get in with a good majority you can bet your life they will continue making ordinary peoples lives miserable as they have already proved. Do you want more of the same OR even worse if they get a big majority.

So long as snp are in Scotland Tory’s will get in no matter what and with labours stance on brexit a majority is inevitable.

Remember Maggie Brin? Want some more of that?

I know this is for brin but I need to point out Rotherham mp at that time was Stanley Crowther and my own mp was peter hardy both was labour and both didn’t do anything to stop police brutality and they could they were the mps of them areas. This old Maggie drum is getting old we have had lots of Tory governments since then and nothing like that has happened under them.

Your delusional if you think labour is all sunshine and roses they are not they are just the same self serving assholes as the Tory’s only they were red ties not blue

[Silly-miller]

Does it matter? Labour could get a plank, pin a red rosette on it and the sheep round here would still vote for it.

Sadly I think your right

What we need is someone who can influence the top brass on our behalf voting labour will just get us ignored like it did under Maggie thatcher. I can’t help but wonder if we had voted Tory that year would Orgreave had happened or would he or she have pulled some strings in Tory party to stop it?

[rolymiller]

1. The Rotherham constituencies do not reflect what goes off in ALL Labour constituencies.

No but they are supposed to represent their constituency’s

2, Whatever you think of Labour, if you have previously voted Labour because you see them as representing you as a working class bloke why then suddenly vote Tory or Brexit and think they will suddenly represent working class people. They won't and never will. To think differently is naive at the best...

Oh I agree but to say labour are representing the working class is a joke too, in my eyes the only way to get labour back to working class is for them to be given a shock, even if it just happens once I’d be happy 100 years of labour isn’t a great incentive for them to care about us.

3. The Labour party at parliamentary level was not responsible for child abuse in Rotherham.

No but labour council was and last time I checked labour was still labour

3.b If the tories get in with a good majority you can bet your life they will continue making ordinary peoples lives miserable as they have already proved. Do you want more of the same OR even worse if they get a big majority.

So long as snp are in Scotland Tory’s will get in no matter what and with labours stance on brexit a majority is inevitable.

Remember Maggie Brin? Want some more of that?

I know this is for brin but I need to point out Rotherham mp at that time was Stanley Crowther and my own mp was peter hardy both was labour and both didn’t do anything to stop police brutality and they could they were the mps of them areas. This old Maggie drum is getting old we have had lots of Tory governments since then and nothing like that has happened under them.

Your delusional if you think labour is all sunshine and roses they are not they are just the same self serving assholes as the Tory’s only they were red ties not blue

And nige does care about you an ex right wing tory?
Silly by name silly by nature me thinks...
(although do agree about police brutality under thatcher -hope Brin remembers it).

To say we wouldn't get Thatcher style politics again is naive in the extreme...(the tories aint had a massive majority since which has protected us from their worst excesses)-we could very well end up with worse..Rest assured the right wing of the Tory party are not here to make ordinary people's lives more comfortable.

As for Nige he's a feckin joke a one trick pony party. Dunno what he will do when Brexit is over.He;s had more paerties than I have had birthday partys to try to court popularity all on pushing xenophoblc knee jerk agendas which appeal to the Sun r4eaders in society which sort of says it all...

[Silly-miller]

And nige does care about you an ex right wing tory?
Silly by name silly by nature me thinks...
(although do agree about police brutality under thatcher -hope Brin remembers it). To say we wouldn't get Thatcher style politics again is naive in the extreme...

Where was it then was it under camoron or mayday maybe? Or was the extreme thatcher policy’s under major dunce? We have had 3 Tory PM not including boris none did anything like that. I grew up on food handouts because of steel and miners lay offs I remember my dad having to look for another job and my mum paying bills with a pt job but no money for food or cloths.
But the truth is very simple our mps at that time was labour and they used it for publicity and they still do to this day. Three Tory governments since and no thatcher style beatings what we have had are pedo rings for years and a town center that looks like a ghost town, but you hold on to your labour delusion I will pray for a one off change and hope it brings back the real Labour Party the one that used to listen.

[rolymiller]

Where was it then was it under camoron or mayday maybe? Or was the extreme thatcher policy’s under major dunce? We have had 3 Tory PM not including boris none did anything like that. I grew up on food handouts because of steel and miners lay offs I remember my dad having to look for another job and my mum paying bills with a pt job but no money for food or cloths.
But the truth is very simple our mps at that time was labour and they used it for publicity and they still do to this day. Three Tory governments since and no thatcher style beatings what we have had are pedo rings for years and a town center that looks like a ghost town, but you hold on to your labour delusion I will pray for a one off change and hope it brings back the real Labour Party the one that used to listen.

Labour weren't in power during the steel and miners strikes Silly so how can you blame Labour MPs for it! Don't be silly, Silly.

...and your right Major was a dunce...

[Silly-miller]

Labour weren't in power during the steel and miners strikes Silly so how can you blame Labour MPs for it! Don't be silly, Silly.

...and your right Major was a dunce...

Labour was our mps at that time and believe it or not they have influence over police in their area. Thatcher was a thick pompous bitch that is 100% true but I don’t think our Labour mps did anything to stop her ether. Did you ever see them confronting the cops? Did you see them threatening to pull council funds? No they were milking it for publicity.

Rotherham mp has been labour for around 90 years while my own areas been labour for over 100 years and because of this we are taken for granted. Labour don’t care because we always vote them in and Tory’s don’t care because to them we are a lost cause. Nether give a dam that’s why I want someone else to take the seat to make them notice us and fight for us.

Look at them on tv roly do you think we are being targeted by labour in any way? 70% voted leave and they want a vote on a practically remain and remain. We are being ignored by a party we have voted in since before WW2. It pisses me off

[ragingpup]

LMFAO

After months of brainwashing you almost had me convinced to vote Labour....
then you throw a wobbly and tell me you’re a Green...as usual..

I think that anyone brainwashed by me should be barred from voting.

But it is true. I have voted Green more than Labour since 1990 when they formed. They have very similar policies and outlook to Labour under Corbyn but I swing with them under their environmental and animal rights focus. But being a pragmatist, I look at which area I lived in at the time and gone for the least Tory candidate that is likely to get in. I'd prefer to vote Green in my area but it could swing to Tory so I campaign for Labour. But if it was in the bag for Labour or Greens had a chance I would vote Green again. I prefer Lucas to Corbyn quite considerably if I had a choice. But both I think are very integral, decent people who I would much rather have than Johnson or Farage on that basis alone. The Tories just get worse and worse with their leadership and they will continue to batter the average working person.

But Greens never focus in discussion on here sadly.

I do defend Labour on here as I feel that they get a very unfair battering and will continue to campaign for them if they present a good manifesto for social democracy and social fairness. No one ever slags the Greens so rarely need to defend them.

[rolymiller]

Chuffin greens. Sick to death of eating cabbage and cauli! There is some criticism for em pup!

Seriously tho I think the Green party does have a leftish ness that I like. It is sad that it is not taking off with the state of the planet as it is. I suspect it will in the future lets hope not too late. I certainly think that a vote for the greens is more useful than a vote for the Brexit party if you want to plump for a minority party and don't like what the mainstream parties have on offer.

I think the main problem for the greens is that they may come across eventually as being a bit "fascist" with a small "f" ie we are all going to have to toe the line and face some hard truths to save the planet. If this is not approached in a fair a way as possible some folks will say there lives are that shyte as they are why should they care...

[KerrAvon]

I do hope that Raging walked to Valencia the other week and to Crete (?) in the summer.