O/T:- Deserving of the sack?

[upthemaggies]

The day all humourists dreaded has arrived.

[jackal2]

If the spelling had been any worse, we could all have been constipated for eternity.

[LaxtonLad]

Agreed. Personally, we started our lockdown more than a week before it was officially announced. Makes you wonder how many lives would have been saved if people had used a bit more common sense as well.

Common sense isn't as common as you might think, Gumpy. It's human nature to think "It won't happen to me" and ignore any early warnings or preventative measures such as lockdown. It's only when it gets as personal as someone close to you becoming dangerously ill that people think "Ayup, that was a bit close!" THEN they start to worry.

[EwarWooWar]

I think some people saying "All/White Lives Matter" aren't necessarily racist, they just don't understand the point in Black Lives Matter and feel upset that another group is being "singled out for attention"

It's like being upset seeing someone in the street is trying to raise money for breast cancer awareness and arguing "what about throat cancer?"

Can you please explain the point then. To counter you analogy, would we allow those that raise money for Breast Cancer to get those that raise money for Throat Cancer fired from their jobs, banned from social media, or to have the police threaten them for not raising money for the acceptable cause?

But is very kind of you to state some aren't "necessarily racist", but you think most of them are don't you. Yet it is you that want to introduce race based laws, its you that judges people not as an individuals but as a measure of their attributes.

So can you answer the question; do all lives matter?

[BigFatPie]

Sacking, threatening, attacking or or legally/forcibly silencing people who express opinions is never going to make that opinion go away or make the world a safer or nicer place. In fact it gradually achieves the opposite effect. Many people develop or are attracted to extreme political or religious views precisely because they feel unheard or powerless within the mainstream discourse, and the more the parameters of that mainstream discourse become squeezed, the greater that feeling of alienation and anger becomes, and the more people begin feel it, which is a dangerous situation to ferment.

If we want to create a genuinely more liberal, tolerant, understanding and mentally healthier society we have to accept (and cope with the fact) that some people will say things we don't like, or even which we find abhorrent, but as long as those views can be expressed and a conversation can take place, those views can change.

In the words of Del & Rodney from Only Fools & Horses:

"I've never been so offended!"

"Really? Well come over here and let me have a try!"

Racist people feeling free to say racist things will reduce racism is an interesting hypothesis.

[navypie]

The day all humourists dreaded has arrived.

Looks like Lardy and Elite will be spared.

[countygump]

Seems there's a bit of a push back on the so Long-Bailey sacking?



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53187789

[navypie]

Seems there's a bit of a push back on the so Long-Bailey sacking?



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53187789

I've just bought a big bag of popcorn.

[applepie]

Can you please explain the point then. To counter you analogy, would we allow those that raise money for Breast Cancer to get those that raise money for Throat Cancer fired from their jobs, banned from social media, or to have the police threaten them for not raising money for the acceptable cause?

But is very kind of you to state some aren't "necessarily racist", but you think most of them are don't you. Yet it is you that want to introduce race based laws, its you that judges people not as an individuals but as a measure of their attributes.

So can you answer the question; do all lives matter?

Of course all lives matter. That’s just stating the bleeding obvious (to quote someone, I can’t remember who). The point of BLM is that, particularly in the USA, it doesn’t appear to be true judging by actions of the police. Statistics on things like deaths in police custody back that up.

So it makes sense to point out that black lives matter; it’s not really necessary to point out that white lives matter. If only all lives were treated as of equal worth.

[EwarWooWar]

Racist people feeling free to say racist things will reduce racism is an interesting hypothesis.

Ah yes but please explain what is the definition of "racist" this week, as your lot keeps changing the definition to suit your agenda. You want to define and class people based on their race and state that is not racist, others say people should not be defined on their race and you state that is racist.