O/T When the police go away, crime goes away.

[ragingpup]

I've said on another thread, there seems to be a constant stream of ex gang members teaching the youngsters why being in a gang is bad. It doesn't seem to be working from the news I watch.

I live in East London and work in Walthamstow amidst the worst gang concentration in the uk. There is not a constant stream of ex gang members teaching the kids, although there are some great people doing this. But they are pissing in the wind of an enormous problem.

[ragingpup]

If it was down to me, I'd increase money for police forces but focus much more on community services, sports and education to try and prevent crime as much as possible in the first place.

[Shark27]

I live in East London and work in Walthamstow amidst the worst gang concentration in the uk. There is not a constant stream of ex gang members teaching the kids, although there are some great people doing this. But they are pissing in the wind of an enormous problem.

Just going on what I generally see on the TV when they are discussing the problem. The people are normally ex gang members. BBC and ITV are pretty much the only news channels I watch.

[Brin]

How so? I believe we have the highest prison population in Europe. Its hugely expensive and most studies of punitive justice systems, unless embedded in a ruthless totalitarian system, show it simply doesn't work. Whereas Glasgow's initiative seemed to have quite a positive impact.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...g-young-people

Happy for rationale argument against this of course but "amazingly naive" seems quite lazy. Why do you think that?

RP, apologies for joining the debate on your post but do you or does anyone have stats to say what % from which countries populate our prisons? I understand that there has been a large spike from the European contingent aka the Polish, Albanian and east European countries.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

If it was down to me, I'd increase money for police forces but focus much more on community services, sports and education to try and prevent crime as much as possible in the first place.

Fair enough, but with our current court and justice system any criminals the police catch rarely get a punishment that fits the crime.

[ragingpup]

RP, apologies for joining the debate on your post but do you or does anyone have stats to say what % from which countries populate our prisons? I understand that there has been a large spike from the European contingent aka the Polish, Albanian and east European countries.

I honestly dont know Brin. You at that you understand that there has been a large spike from eu countries, so why not tell me the stats from which your opinion on this is based?

[ragingpup]

Fair enough, but with our current court and justice system any criminals the police catch rarely get a punishment that fits the crime.

As I said above, we already have by far the largest prison population in Europe. So on what grounds do you say that we are soft on crime?

If anything, it seems to indicate that a country with the harshest punitive record in Europe is failing badly in dealing with crime by using this system, and by extension looking at America, there is some evidence that the more punitive the justice system, the more violent the culture? Dunno.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

As I said above, we already have by far the largest prison population in Europe. So on what grounds do you say that we are soft on crime?

If anything, it seems to indicate that a country with the harshest punitive record in Europe is failing badly in dealing with crime by using this system, and by extension looking at America, there is some evidence that the more punitive the justice system, the more violent the culture? Dunno.

Well in the news this week were the details of the punishments handed out to the killers of Danny Dix

In my opinion way to low, and that’s assuming they serve full term, which they won’t

[wendun]

I have changed my avatar to be more in keeping with the prevailing zeitgeist of MM showing as it does a yob whacking a copper round the head. What you don't see is the cheering audience of Left Liberal BLM supporters. How the heck we have a large prison population is beyond me. I was threatened by two Romanian (I think) peddlers who took a dim view of my not buying their overpriced tat. When they refused to leave my property and threatened both me and my wife I attempted to contact the police. An impossibilty. The online form for reporting crimes is also a joke as you need photographs, DNA and fingerprints of the perps before you can complete the damn thing. I am now an advocate of legal gun ownership.

[millersrus]

According to the BLM protesters, "When the police go away, crime goes away". Do you agree?

No,
carpet and brush sellers might agree though.