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[GUNTERYY36]

‘Catch all generalisations’? That sounds like a ‘deny all generalisation’ to me.
I doubt most people would have any difficulty either recognising or defining racism, xenophobia or Islamophobia.

People can't define Islamophobia never mind recognise it.

[Ram59]

‘Catch all generalisations’? That sounds like a ‘deny all generalisation’ to me.
I doubt most people would have any difficulty either recognising or defining racism, xenophobia or Islamophobia.

I have to disagree there RA, whereas it's easy to recognise these behaviours from far right and even left wing groups, it becomes very grey when normal people do or say things with innocent intentions, but which are then deemed to be upsetting to others.

[ramAnag]

I’ll fully accept that that there is room for misinterpretation and that there are even times when such misinterpretation can be deliberate, Ram..but by and large I think we can all recognise such behaviours. Whether we all choose to or not is a different question.

P.S. Islamophobia is the hatred, or fear of, or prejudice against Muslims isn’t it, Gunteryy?

[GUNTERYY36]

If I fear spiders even though I know they won't hurt me then that's a phobia. I fear muslims because I know that in many situations they will harm me. That's not a phobia, it's perfectly rational. If I were walking around Paris now, I'd be looking over my shouilder and with good reason.

If this attitude makes me Islamophobic then so be it.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I suspect it does Gunter, although perhaps with some cause if you have been on the wrong end of being harmed. But does this mean that because some white kid beat you up at school one day, you are a anglophobe or that you would be scared to walk around the streets of Barnsley where all those white folk lurk?

[swaledale]

If I fear spiders even though I know they won't hurt me then that's a phobia. I fear muslims because I know that in many situations they will harm me. That's not a phobia, it's perfectly rational. If I were walking around Paris now, I'd be looking over my shouilder and with good reason.

If this attitude makes me Islamophobic then so be it.

Which makes as much sense as saying I fear all Irish because some of their compatriots carried out atrocities! Or that all northern people are thick ****s! Its not perfectly rational because a) its applying a generalised label to a group of people, who in fact are as diverse in attitudes, behaviour and beliefs as any group of white folks and b) whilst your looking over your shoulder at an imaginary threat you will fail to see the mad French driver who will run you over!

As someone who was knocking around the pubs and clubs of Birmingham when certain Irish people were bombing them, I did not look over my shoulder or "tar" all Irish people with the same brush. I basically carried on my life as normal figuring that the odds were pretty low of being a victim and there were far greater threats elsewhere.

[ramAnag]

I fear muslims because I know that in many situations they will harm me. That's not a phobia, it's perfectly rational. If I were walking around Paris now, I'd be looking over my shouilder and with good reason.

If this attitude makes me Islamophobic then so be it.

I think you may be confusing Muslims with Islamists, Gunteryy.

I wonder if you had the same attitude to Catholics when out and about in Manchester, Birmingham, Warrington or London prior to the Good Friday Agreement?

P.S. Apologies Swale...hadn’t read your comment when I replied.

[swaledale]

I think you may be confusing Muslims with Islamists, Gunteryy.

I wonder if you had the same attitude to Catholics when out and about in Manchester, Birmingham, Warrington or London prior to the Good Friday Agreement?

P.S. Apologies Swale...hadn’t read your comment when I replied.

Not all Catholics are Irish but I get your meaning!

[GUNTERYY36]

Which makes as much sense as saying I fear all Irish because some of their compatriots carried out atrocities! Or that all northern people are thick ****s! Its not perfectly rational because a) its applying a generalised label to a group of people, who in fact are as diverse in attitudes, behaviour and beliefs as any group of white folks and b) whilst your looking over your shoulder at an imaginary threat you will fail to see the mad French driver who will run you over!

As someone who was knocking around the pubs and clubs of Birmingham when certain Irish people were bombing them, I did not look over my shoulder or "tar" all Irish people with the same brush. I basically carried on my life as normal figuring that the odds were pretty low of being a victim and there were far greater threats elsewhere.

You were right not to tar Irish people with the same brush. Some were dangerous and some weren't. The majority of Irish, the peaceful Irish, didn't go around bombing people. But it's different with Islam. I tar all muslims with the same brush because they read the same book and would find themselves in an awkward situation if asked to reject what the Quran demands of them. If the non-violent muslims ccame out and forcefully rejected the horrors of their holy book, I'd regard them as honest and peaceful. But they don't. The vast majority haven't even read it never mind discuss it.

You really must control that temper of yours.

[GUNTERYY36]

I think you may be confusing Muslims with Islamists, Gunteryy.

I wonder if you had the same attitude to Catholics when out and about in Manchester, Birmingham, Warrington or London prior to the Good Friday Agreement?

P.S. Apologies Swale...hadn’t read your comment when I replied.

No, I'm not, ramAnag. There is no such thing as Islamism.

By the way, how much shall we say...£30-00?