Mark Ogren....

[GUNBOAT]

Sorry that definitely doesn't encourage me at all. In fact the opposite.

I believe that fan groups should exist solely for the club’s supporters to exert their opinions, who otherwise wouldn’t have any means of influence. I’m of the opinion that people with vested interests e.g. Ogrens, Asghar, etc should not be members or influential within fan groups or perhaps impose their own agendas on them but should be willing to work in tandem with them. The fact that the chairman etc. are now members of DUSF, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of that group existing. The DUSF need to be 100% independent of the club. Imagine if the likes of ST, Martin etc. were involved.

What happens when the Ogrens do decide to take profits from the club when it suits them, as they said they would. Would the DUSF members not have a different agenda?

Bit like having your cake and eating it.

I would be over the FN moon if our main debate on here is whether we agree on the Ogren's taking profit out of the club.My main concern at the moment is having a club to watch once the pandemic is over.
I really don't think enough supporters in Scotland realise how precarious a position most of their clubs are in,especially clubs from 5th to 12th in the Premiership.

[GUNBOAT]

I recently joined up too. Since release of funds seems to go to votes don't think Ogren could manipulate/influence membership. If at any point board were seen to be "negatively" running club think any request of money would be denied.

However I think as things stand we're all pulling in the same direction so fans joining up has to be positive.

The above post is 100% accurate,money can only be given over to the club if the members vote to do so,if there are over a thousand members then the United board and manager do not carry a majority to influence such decisions.

[Yeats 62]

I recently joined up too. Since release of funds seems to go to votes don't think Ogren could manipulate/influence membership. If at any point board were seen to be "negatively" running club think any request of money would be denied.

However I think as things stand we're all pulling in the same direction so fans joining up has to be positive.

Totally agree that fans joining up is a good thing, but reading the earlier post something sprang to mind.

We had a situation at work (a very big work) and a very senior manager turned up to a shop floor meeting.
When asked by some to leave he replied "I'm a paying member of this union, I am entitled to be here"
Part of the meeting was discussing management shortcomings.
He stayed , and the meeting went on without too much trouble, but my feelings were , that because of his presence, numerous usually vociferous folk kept their mouths shut, and others didn't want to be seen to rock the boat.

Not the same thing I know, but that thought did flag up to me when I heard that Mark, Tony and Mickey were joining a supporters federation.

Probably reading far too much in to things and they are just genuinely trying to show support and not Big Brother keeping an eye on folk that didn't always sing from the same hymn sheet.

#paranoia

[tijuanataxi]

I would be over the FN moon if our main debate on here is whether we agree on the Ogren's taking profit out of the club.My main concern at the moment is having a club to watch once the pandemic is over.
I really don't think enough supporters in Scotland realise how precarious a position most of their clubs are in,especially clubs from 5th to 12th in the Premiership.

Nail on head.

[offshore_arab83]

Sorry that definitely doesn't encourage me at all. In fact the opposite.

I believe that fan groups should exist solely for the club’s supporters to exert their opinions, who otherwise wouldn’t have any means of influence. I’m of the opinion that people with vested interests e.g. Ogrens, Asghar, etc should not be members or influential within fan groups or perhaps impose their own agendas on them but should be willing to work in tandem with them. The fact that the chairman etc. are now members of DUSF, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of that group existing. The DUSF need to be 100% independent of the club. Imagine if the likes of ST, Martin etc. were involved.

What happens when the Ogrens do decide to take profits from the club when it suits them, as they said they would. Would the DUSF members not have a different agenda?

Bit like having your cake and eating it.

I can't see Ogrens etc having any influence on any decision as its put to ballot. I can see the argument for those who can see it as detrimental.

Are you still the only applicant whos membership request was rejected?

[offshore_arab83]

Totally agree that fans joining up is a good thing, but reading the earlier post something sprang to mind.

We had a situation at work (a very big work) and a very senior manager turned up to a shop floor meeting.
When asked by some to leave he replied "I'm a paying member of this union, I am entitled to be here"
Part of the meeting was discussing management shortcomings.
He stayed , and the meeting went on without too much trouble, but my feelings were , that because of his presence, numerous usually vociferous folk kept their mouths shut, and others didn't want to be seen to rock the boat.

Not the same thing I know, but that thought did flag up to me when I heard that Mark, Tony and Mickey were joining a supporters federation.

Probably reading far too much in to things and they are just genuinely trying to show support and not Big Brother keeping an eye on folk that didn't always sing from the same hymn sheet.

#paranoia

I dont thinks its anywhere near the same. Difference is Yeats its our football club, its not our source of income where guys would be scared to rock the boat and get their jotters, its their source of income, I would think any meetings where any of the Ogrens or Tony or whoever was in attendance as members it would make no difference, i wouldnt expect them to be involved at all tbh

[Retired Arab]

Totally agree that fans joining up is a good thing, but reading the earlier post something sprang to mind.

We had a situation at work (a very big work) and a very senior manager turned up to a shop floor meeting.
When asked by some to leave he replied "I'm a paying member of this union, I am entitled to be here"
Part of the meeting was discussing management shortcomings.
He stayed , and the meeting went on without too much trouble, but my feelings were , that because of his presence, numerous usually vociferous folk kept their mouths shut, and others didn't want to be seen to rock the boat.

Not the same thing I know, but that thought did flag up to me when I heard that Mark, Tony and Mickey were joining a supporters federation.

Probably reading far too much in to things and they are just genuinely trying to show support and not Big Brother keeping an eye on folk that didn't always sing from the same hymn sheet.

#paranoia

That's a very good example of the kind of actions and implications that may perhaps be overlooked at moment but important when all is not rosy at Tannadice. I'd also be concerned about leaks to local media at Dee C's

[Yeats 62]

I dont thinks its anywhere near the same. Difference is Yeats its our football club, its not our source of income where guys would be scared to rock the boat and get their jotters, its their source of income, I would think any meetings where any of the Ogrens or Tony or whoever was in attendance as members it would make no difference, i wouldnt expect them to be involved at all tbh

Nor would I..... as I said ... paranoia But.......... if they did turn up mob handed, (mind Tony was in the Polis)
Kidding of course , it was just something that sprang to mind after reading a different opinion on the situation that I hadn't thought about until it was posted.

[Retired Arab]

I can't see Ogrens etc having any influence on any decision as its put to ballot. I can see the argument for those who can see it as detrimental.

Are you still the only applicant whos membership request was rejected?

Ha ha that's also the kind of childish and immature behaviour that puts us decent fans off joining DUSF. Grow up for goodness sake!

Why wouldn't DUSF accept all Arabs as members?

[offshore_arab83]

Never trust the polis ha ha