Derby to stop taking the knee.....

[Trickytreesreds]

All fair points, but perhaps inadvertently you have taken us back to the initial targets of the BLM protests...the statues dedicated to a variety of colonialists and slave traders etc.
Were they not the ‘poster boy’ equivalents of their time? ‘History’ came along to judge but, as I recall, you and those much further to the Right didn’t much care for the verdict.

Arrrrrrrr, but you conveniently missed out the ones attacked like Churchill etc.
These same "activists" want Nelson removed etc.

So to pacify a minority, will we be re writing all history?
After watching DR Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, attack the queen and UK yesterday. Calling the monachy and the country, based on slavery, colonialism, hate and oppression. I can only conclude that a fraction with these borders want, our whole culture disassembled and tone of shame forced on the population.

Perhaps these people forget, the Queen is head of the Commonwealth and very proud of it.
I see division and hate alright, but it certainly doesn't all come from the side being portrayed.

[Geoff Parkstone]

ALLEGEDLY

Fanta was created for Nazi Germany when they could not obtain Coke during WW2;
Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party and designed/produced uniforms for the SS and Hitler Youth;
Nestle and other companies used slave labour provided by the Germans;
Barclays bank handed over details of jewish employees to the authorities

Plus countless German companies will have collaborated with the nazi rulers.

History doesnt seem to have judged them, history does not stigmatise them. Could it be because the victims were not black? Im not supporting slavery or its proponents, but slavery is far from unique to the black community. Its a crime against humanity, not something to be culturally appropriated.

I know two rights dont make a wrong, but when one pulls down former slave owners statues whilst perhaps sipping your Fanta orange, nibbling on your kitkat, parading your Boss designer clothes and using your Barclaycard, do you not get the irony?

[swaledale]

ALLEGEDLY

Fanta was created for Nazi Germany when they could not obtain Coke during WW2;
Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party and designed/produced uniforms for the SS and Hitler Youth;
Nestle and other companies used slave labour provided by the Germans;
Barclays bank handed over details of jewish employees to the authorities

Plus countless German companies will have collaborated with the nazi rulers.

History doesnt seem to have judged them, history does not stigmatise them. Could it be because the victims were not black? Im not supporting slavery or its proponents, but slavery is far from unique to the black community. Its a crime against humanity, not something to be culturally appropriated.

I know two rights dont make a wrong, but when one pulls down former slave owners statues whilst perhaps sipping your Fanta orange, nibbling on your kitkat, parading your Boss designer clothes and using your Barclaycard, do you not get the irony?

And it was the British that invented the "concentration camp" and rounding up and imprisoning women and children as a way of repressing the local population of whatever country we were invading at the time"

Your right GP, rather than pointless virtue signalling and righteous indignation, there needs to be a greater explanation of history set in context so that todays and future generations can understand what happened and why.

[Andy_Faber]

Arrrrrrrr, but you conveniently missed out the ones attacked like Churchill etc.
These same "activists" want Nelson removed etc.

So to pacify a minority, will we be re writing all history?
After watching DR Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, attack the queen and UK yesterday. Calling the monachy and the country, based on slavery, colonialism, hate and oppression. I can only conclude that a fraction with these borders want, our whole culture disassembled and tone of shame forced on the population.

Perhaps these people forget, the Queen is head of the Commonwealth and very proud of it.
I see division and hate alright, but it certainly doesn't all come from the side being portrayed.

Thankfully, most of the U.K. appear to have seen through the Markels’ stunt, check out the Yougov poll on the subject

[Trickytreesreds]

Thankfully, most of the U.K. appear to have seen through the Markels’ stunt, check out the Yougov poll on the subject

I saw it mucker.

But this needs major attention now. The race baiting and race card is being used so much now. It has worn very thin with folks and also is fuelling a divide.
Last night was not really just a Royal family bash, it was a pick a side situation.
Either you agree with Markels claims about constant racism, or you don't and back the Queens side.

What was said offended a lot of people on one side and fired up another side.
That is the whole thing about bending the knee for me. It is something, that has worked over here because an American police problem.
The football league had a race equality system in place "lets kick it out"
Now that gets shelved and the BLM salute takes its place. I'm sorry, but the kick it out campaign covered all ethnicitys, now its a black lives matter voice?
Fuel fuel fuel. People like Markel give it oxygen. All we are missing now is a spark.

Is it going to ignite then?

[swaledale]

Thankfully, most of the U.K. appear to have seen through the Markels’ stunt, check out the Yougov poll on the subject

Thats an interesting interpretation, leaving aside whether or not Yougov is actually representative of anything the country thinks! Given that it would seem around a third support harry and Meghan, a third support he Queen and a third couldn't give a ****!

[Geoff Parkstone]

All fair points, but perhaps inadvertently you have taken us back to the initial targets of the BLM protests...the statues dedicated to a variety of colonialists and slave traders etc.
Were they not the ‘poster boy’ equivalents of their time? ‘History’ came along to judge but, as I recall, you and those much further to the Right didn’t much care for the verdict.

Yes they probably were poster boys of their generation. I don't recall "history" judging them, but rather BLM protesters were judge, jury and executioner. I didn't care for the verdict as it was not arrived at in any reasonable way, but rather by mob rule. On this basis does this mean the KKK were vindicated in creating "strange fruit" because they judged and summarily executed what they thought were miscreants??

[ramAnag]

Yes they probably were poster boys of their generation. I don't recall "history" judging them, but rather BLM protesters were judge, jury and executioner. I didn't care for the verdict as it was not arrived at in any reasonable way, but rather by mob rule.

I’ll stick with answering you GP because you have at least have not tried to deflect.
I’ll agree that the ultimate action looked like ‘mob rule’...but let’s consider a few more facts.
For years historians, campaigners and members of Bristol’s black community had been lobbying for the statue to be removed.
In 2017 those that owned Colston Hall declared that they were planning to change the name. The same was true of Colston Primary School and the Colston Yard Pub.
Yet still the statue of Colston remained in a city described as ‘wilfully blind to its history’.

Is it any wonder then that, fuelled by the anger of what is still happening to black people in the USA, this symbol of oppression and wrongdoing was toppled in the way it was? No one had listened to the requests for a statue to a man whose activities had led to the enslavement of 84,000 and deaths of up to 20,000 black people to be removed.

[Geoff Parkstone]

yet the Colston's School, which I (not fondly) remember playing against at rugby and cricket, when not on my 18 weeks school holidays, still remains called that, as does the girls school.

That said, I would be very much in favour of tearing down the disgusting Colston Tower building in the city centre. A more disgusting piece of 1970's concrete block architecture would be hard to find.

[Trickytreesreds]

And as I have said before, why are the pyramids allowed to stand?
They were built under the oppression of a whole race.
But no one mentions that, just how glorious these feats of engineering are.
It is probably the worst form of racial oppression known and at the heart of a religion.

My point is, no one can change that. It is done and dusted.
Colstons statue, shouldn't have been ripped down. His money was spent on lots of things in Bristol. A re education programme was more than adequate, in the form of plaques explaining where his money came from.

The focus of discontent from BLM in the UK, in focussed on Britians colonial past etc.
I get that, it isn't all pretty but again, it is done.

However, if we want to be specific, how far back does this outrage want to go?
2000 Years before the Empire was involved in the slave trade, the worst offenders for slavery were the arab nations and North Africa.
Europeans were and have been taken frequently and were referred to as "white gold".

A little readng for you RA........ two sides to every outrage,

https://www.amazon.co.uk/White-Gold-.../dp/0340794704