Willock

[liikape]

I almost explained it but din't want you to think I was patronising you!

It always good to learn new words 😎

[TANYA_]

You people moan when dont sign anyone but its also a problem if we do 🤷

mate I'm not moaning. Just stating a fact, the club is at a stage where the slightest thing to upset the fans will blow up and turn toxic and unforgiving.
When you take a step back from the club and try to not get involved its so easy to see the game.

I don't go to games anymore, don't buy the shirt anymore because i want rid of Mike Ashley asap. All the fans know what they need to do but they turn up every week.

Anyway, look at the bigger picture and undertone of contempt from Ashley to which we are supposed to support as fans.

We had a decent squad last season, although too many players were between Championship and Premier league level but simply not Premier league class players. We really struggled for practically all of it and due to the goals from a loan player we stayed in the division, we even finished 4 places higher than required which netted Ashley a nice little bonus.

Since then, Ashley has sold or released Atsu, Muto, Carroll, Lejeunne, Saivet

these are fringe layers that make the numbers up but are crucial for injury cover and resting the first team in the cups.
Loads of experience and all internationals.

THIS is where Mike hoodwinks the doylem's that turn up, he will bring back Willock on a permanent deal, funded by the extra places higher that we finished and the wages saved by the 5 players that have gone, so the outlay is £0.00 from the club.

Considering we had Willock here last season, he still has not strengthened the squad and we are still 5 international players down and weaker as a squad.

Ashley wants to get Willock on a transfer so he still has the option of 2 domestic loans to fall back on for the very last throws of the window. Probably for another clubs fringe players.

The glaring reality is, if Wilson gets crocked, we are screwed for a goal scorer, Miggy and ASM are not match fit, they dont score enough and Gayle isnt up to the task and i fully expect to replace Armstrong at Blackburn once he gets sold.

Overall, we have regressed for another season, thats 13 out of 14 in my book but we should all get behind the most clueless manager we have had and celebrate going backwards and another relegation fight .
The only way we are staying up is if there are 3 teams worse than us again this season. And that is the plan, Newcastle United under Mike Ashley dont need to compete or push on each season, we only need to be better than 3 other teams in the division and we can do it all again next season.

Maybe im completely wrong, that is just my feelings on it

yeah i suppose it is moaning

[Geordie_Jacko]

I understand it and if it helps its fine. I like to look at things in every angle. Everybody wants team to compete and win.

If I'm honest I agree with you mate. Yeah it's not great supporting us at the moment it hasn't been for years. But to put a negative spin on absolutely everything the club do or try to do is just boring. I don't post to much nowadays because it simply just doom and gloom. I also think that's why this forum doesn't have many posters. Literally every discussion is just negative repeated sh1t. We know we have a sh1t owner we knew we wouldn't be signing many players if any but still constantly moan about it. The way people are speaking you'd think the club's around us have hugely invested and improved there squads, they haven't. When fit I think our starting line up is very capable of doing well I personally think we need a lot better replacements for when players are out. I just don't see how we can even put a negative spin on signing Willock he improves the team that is not a bad thing no matter how much you dislike Ashley or Bruce, remember you support Newcastle not them.

[liikape]

mate I'm not moaning. Just stating a fact, the club is at a stage where the slightest thing to upset the fans will blow up and turn toxic and unforgiving.
When you take a step back from the club and try to not get involved its so easy to see the game.

I don't go to games anymore, don't buy the shirt anymore because i want rid of Mike Ashley asap. All the fans know what they need to do but they turn up every week.

Anyway, look at the bigger picture and undertone of contempt from Ashley to which we are supposed to support as fans.

We had a decent squad last season, although too many players were between Championship and Premier league level but simply not Premier league class players. We really struggled for practically all of it and due to the goals from a loan player we stayed in the division, we even finished 4 places higher than required which netted Ashley a nice little bonus.

Since then, Ashley has sold or released Atsu, Muto, Carroll, Lejeunne, Saivet

these are fringe layers that make the numbers up but are crucial for injury cover and resting the first team in the cups.
Loads of experience and all internationals.

THIS is where Mike hoodwinks the doylem's that turn up, he will bring back Willock on a permanent deal, funded by the extra places higher that we finished and the wages saved by the 5 players that have gone, so the outlay is £0.00 from the club.

Considering we had Willock here last season, he still has not strengthened the squad and we are still 5 international players down and weaker as a squad.

Ashley wants to get Willock on a transfer so he still has the option of 2 domestic loans to fall back on for the very last throws of the window. Probably for another clubs fringe players.

The glaring reality is, if Wilson gets crocked, we are screwed for a goal scorer, Miggy and ASM are not match fit, they dont score enough and Gayle isnt up to the task and i fully expect to replace Armstrong at Blackburn once he gets sold.

Overall, we have regressed for another season, thats 13 out of 14 in my book but we should all get behind the most clueless manager we have had and celebrate going backwards and another relegation fight .
The only way we are staying up is if there are 3 teams worse than us again this season. And that is the plan, Newcastle United under Mike Ashley dont need to compete or push on each season, we only need to be better than 3 other teams in the division and we can do it all again next season.

Maybe im completely wrong, that is just my feelings on it

yeah i suppose it is moaning

Your facts are right and you are right in every aspect. I have lost hope that something goes right when Ashley is in charge. I want team to stay at premiership. Thats the reason I want Willock and couple others too. Staying in premiership is the best way to guarantee new ownership. With Ashley it is what it is.

[liikape]

If I'm honest I agree with you mate. Yeah it's not great supporting us at the moment it hasn't been for years. But to put a negative spin on absolutely everything the club do or try to do is just boring. I don't post to much nowadays because it simply just doom and gloom. I also think that's why this forum doesn't have many posters. Literally every discussion is just negative repeated sh1t. We know we have a sh1t owner we knew we wouldn't be signing many players if any but still constantly moan about it. The way people are speaking you'd think the club's around us have hugely invested and improved there squads, they haven't. When fit I think our starting line up is very capable of doing well I personally think we need a lot better replacements for when players are out. I just don't see how we can even put a negative spin on signing Willock he improves the team that is not a bad thing no matter how much you dislike Ashley or Bruce, remember you support Newcastle not them.

Thanks for the support. I am glad I am not the only one. I also agree with the points you make about negativity etc…

[liikape]

If I'm honest I agree with you mate. Yeah it's not great supporting us at the moment it hasn't been for years. But to put a negative spin on absolutely everything the club do or try to do is just boring. I don't post to much nowadays because it simply just doom and gloom. I also think that's why this forum doesn't have many posters. Literally every discussion is just negative repeated sh1t. We know we have a sh1t owner we knew we wouldn't be signing many players if any but still constantly moan about it. The way people are speaking you'd think the club's around us have hugely invested and improved there squads, they haven't. When fit I think our starting line up is very capable of doing well I personally think we need a lot better replacements for when players are out. I just don't see how we can even put a negative spin on signing Willock he improves the team that is not a bad thing no matter how much you dislike Ashley or Bruce, remember you support Newcastle not them.

I read this again. I think this an absolutely great post. Hopefully it opens up somebodys eyes.

[Geordie1974]

The club is rotten to the core. All this support the team and not Bruce and Ashley is a load of ****e. It's an excuse that is probably spelled out on a plaque in the one member boardroom as something the hierarchy love.
This club fell asleep the day Ashley bought it and won't wake up until he is gone. Fans are negative because it's all they have known for 14 years.
Everybody suddenly putting a positive spin on things won't change anything. If any fan finds positives and wants to talk positively then let everybody else know where you looked for it and found it.

[Alberts__Lob]

The club is rotten to the core. All this support the team and not Bruce and Ashley is a load of ****e. It's an excuse that is probably spelled out on a plaque in the one member boardroom as something the hierarchy love.
This club fell asleep the day Ashley bought it and won't wake up until he is gone. Fans are negative because it's all they have known for 14 years.
Everybody suddenly putting a positive spin on things won't change anything. If any fan finds positives and wants to talk positively then let everybody else know where you looked for it and found it.

Agree with all of this.

I don't think people moan just for the sake of it. It's healthy to vent that frustration at how the club is being run imo

Essentially there wouldn't be as much negativity if Ashley actually invested in the team and gave us fans some hope

[Zippity]

Agree with all of this.

I don't think people moan just for the sake of it. It's healthy to vent that frustration at how the club is being run imo

Essentially there wouldn't be as much negativity if Ashley actually invested in the team and gave us fans some hope

Aye, me too.

Thing is-Jacko, Liikape, I know where you're coming from in terms of not wanting to see so much negativity but, I do think folkk ome on here to let off steam. We'd all far rather be talking about positive things like our new signings or which formation we should play or the relative merits of the players we've got and which tactics suit them best. But, in my opinion, the negativity on here is a reflection not of the posters but of the situation we find ourselves in as supporters of this shambolic shadow of a club. In all honesty, I'd be surprised if you could find a forum where there was more positivity than negativity and the low numbers are more a result of the apathy amongst the fans created by almost a decade and a half of the way fatso has run this club as opposed to the attitudes of the posters.

As posters, I like you both and it would be good to see more positivity so, rather than stay away, start posting more and build some positive momentum which we can get on board with.

[ex_pat_magpie]

But with things as they are without change, it is really difficult to be genuinely positive. In fact, to my mind the only thing to be positive about is that one way or another Ashley will be gone.

Whether it is sooner or later is in the lap of the gods, or hopefully the courts but eventually, he will be gone and it's difficult to imagine us having ever again a worse owner. So let's look forward to that for the time being.